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MINUTES
CUPERTINO CITY COUNCIL
Regular Adjourned Meeting
Tuesday, August 2, 2011
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Gilbert Wong, Vice -Mayor Mark Santoro, and Council members Barry Chang,
Orrin Mahoney, and Kris Wang (7:52 p.m.). Absent: none.
CLOSED SESSION
1. Subject: Conference with legal counsel - Significant Exposure to Litigation (Gov't Code
54946.9(b)(1))
Description: One case
Page: No written materials in packet
2. Subject: Conference with legal counsel - existing litigation (Government Code 54956.9(a))
Description: City of Cupertino v. Yuen/Zhang et al, Santa Clara County Superior Court
Page: No written materials in packet
At 5:00 p.m., the Council recessed to a closed session, and reconvened in open session at
6:47 p.m. Mayor Wong announced that for both items, the City Council obtained a briefing
from legal counsel and gave direction to staff.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
At 6:45 p.m. Mayor Gilbert Wong called the regular meeting to order in the Council Chamber,
10350 Torre Avenue, Cupertino, California, and led the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Present: Mayor Gilbert Wong, Vice -Mayor Mark Santoro, and Council members Barry Chang,
Orrin Mahoney, and Kris Wang. Absent: none.
CEREMONIAL MATTERS — PRESENTATIONS
3. Subject: Proclamation recognizing Angela Zhang and Natalie Ng of Monta Vista High
School for their award from Santa Clara Valley Science and Engineering Fair Association
(SCVSEFA)
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Forrest Williams, former San Jose City Council Member and representative of the Santa
Clara Valley Science and Engineering Fair Association, explained that the purpose of the
association was to promote the fields of science and engineering and to encourage students
to pursue careers in these areas, and he noted how proud he was of the recipients of these
awards.
Mayor Wong presented the proclamation to Angela Zhang and Natalie Ng of Monta Vista
High School and congratulated them on their achievements. They thanked the Council and
the Association for the recognition, commented on their projects, and stated that it was an
honor to receive both the awards and the proclamation.
4. Subject: Proclamation recognizing Stephanie Wang and Jennifer Wang for starting and
running the Cooper's Dream dog rescue group
This item was postponed to a later meeting.
5. Subject: Presentation from Santa Clara County Fire Chief Ken Kehmna
Recommended Action: Receive presentation
Santa Clara County Fire Chief Ken Kehmna stated that he had been with the Fire
Department for 24 years and had recently been named Fire Chief. He noted that these were
challenging times but he viewed any negative budgetary impacts as an opportunity to
become more fiscally responsive, to get rid of redundancies, and to think outside the box. He
was looking forward to discussing ways to improve fire service in the county and to save
money.
POSTPONEMENTS
Jennifer Griffin stated that she had asked for Item 33 to be postponed to the August 16 meeting
because many residents in the Rancho Rinconada neighborhood had been told that was when it
was scheduled, and their neighborhood had many issues that had not been adequately addressed.
City Attorney Carol Korade stated that at their June 21 meeting the Council had continued this
matter to the August 2 meeting. A city -wide notice was done as well as a legal notice. It was
therefore required that Council agendize this matter for tonight's meeting; however, they could
continue the matter if they wished.
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
The City Clerk presented the following written communications:
• Item No. 17 — Three letters from City Manager Knapp responding to Santa Clara County
Civil Grand Jury final reports
• Item No. 18 — Revised Council Staff Report, regarding Parks and Recreation
Commission Work Plan for Fiscal Year 2011 - 2012
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• Item No. 33 — Emails regarding R1 review from Chi -I Lang, Stephen Sun, Tim Coad,
Frank Sun, Miriam Salo, Paul Brophy, Jennifer Griffin, and Lisa Warren; and Amended
Draft R1 Ordinance & Staff PowerPoint presentation
• Item No. 35 — Staff PowerPoint presentation regarding RDA "Opt in" Ordinance and an
staff memorandum dated August 2
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Rob Chansler, representing the San Francisco Shakespeare Festival, thanked Council and staff
for their continued support over the last 15 years. He noted that the season was beginning with
the production of Cymbeline August 13 -28. He also noted that the summer camps were
underway. In addition, the production of Taming of the Shrew was scheduled for later this fall.
Karen del Compare thanked the Council for their continued reporting on the Lehigh Quarry
issue. She referred to the recent letter from the Office of Mining Reclamation giving the quarry
30 days to comply with regulations or be removed from the AB3098 list, which was a list of
quarries that had approved reclamation plans and no violations of State mining laws. Lehigh
had been in non - compliance of such laws for many years. She supported Council Member
Chang for his stand on Lehigh.
Ken Yeu stated his support of Council Member Chang. He referred to a letter which had
recently been distributed throughout Cupertino urging citizens to ask that the public censure of
Council Member Chang be placed on this agenda. He believed this was inappropriate and asked
Council to take no such action.
John Bartas stated his support of Shakespeare in the Park. He also thanked Council for their
support of his carpooling project. He anticipated that a pilot program would be in place in the
fall at Monta Vista. He also referred to the letter from the Office of Mining Reclamation and
noted that he had been concerned about this issue for five years. He was disappointed to hear
that rather than attempting to correct this matter Lehigh had turned the issue over to their
attorneys. Additionally, he did not like the tone of the smear campaign against Council Member
Chang.
Jennifer Griffin restated her request for a postponement of Item 33. Many people were
interested in this issue and had received misinformation concerning it. She had followed the
proper procedure to request this postponement. On another matter she noted that a Chase Bank
and McDonalds were planned for the shopping center across from Hyde Middle School. While
this center was actually in San Jose she was concerned about the safety of the school children.
Mayor Wong noted that the city would be conveying to San Jose the concerns of the residents
regarding this center.
Philip Leu referred to the letter concerning Council Member Chang and asked him to comment
on where all of this hostility was coming from. He believed it was important for the Cupertino
community to have more information.
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Alvin Jackson supported a public censure of Council Member Chang. Council Members were
supposed to be role models and he did not believe threatening government employees was
appropriate behavior.
Janice Chua noted that she was the owner of a new coffee shop in Cupertino called
Bitter +Sweet located near Amici's Pizzeria. She commented that it was a comfortable
environment for people to get together and she encouraged everyone to visit.
Tim Brand stated that Lehigh had not been in compliance with regulations for years and he
wondered how the County had allowed such violations to continue. He believed it took courage
to confront the politicians on this issue and he commended Council Member Chang.
Mr. Bandermann questioned why Cupertino did not have a city postcard. He noted the city had
wonderful vistas, monuments and areas of historical interest. He also referred to the community
tree in front of Quinlan Center and asked why it was not called a Christmas Tree. The Supreme
Court had ruled that Christmas trees were legal so it was not a question of possible lawsuits.
CONSENT CALENDAR
Wang moved and Santoro seconded to approve the items on the Consent Calendar as
recommended. Ayes: Chang, Mahoney, Santoro, Wang, and Wong. Noes: None. Abstain:
None.
6. Subject: June 15 City Council minutes
Recommended Action: Approve minutes
7. Subject: July 5 City Council minutes
Recommended Action: Approve minutes
8. Subject: Accounts Payable for period ending June 30, 2011
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -114
9. Subject: Accounts Payable for period ending July 1, 2011
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -115
10. Subject: Accounts Payable for period ending July 8, 2011
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -116
11. Subject: Accounts Payable for period ending July 15, 2011
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -117
12. Subject: Accounts Payable for period ending July 22, 2011
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -118
13. Subject: Payroll for period ending July 8, 2011
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -119
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14. Subject: Payroll for period ending July 22, 2011
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11
15. Subject: Treasurer's Investment and Budget Report for Quarter Ending June 2011
Recommended Action: Accept the report
16. Subject: Add Roth 457 Option to the ICMA Deferred Compensation Plan
Recommended Action: Adopt resolution No. 11 -120
Description: Add an option to the existing ICMA -RC deferred compensation plan that will
offer Roth 457 features such as after -tax contributions and tax -free withdrawals
17. Subject: Authorize the City Manager to sign letters responding to three Civil Grand Jury
reports
Recommended Action: Authorize the City Manager to sign the attached letters responding
to the Civil Grand Jury's findings and recommendations on emergency dispatch, fire
department response, and rehiring pensioners
The City Clerk distributed three letters from City Manager Knapp responding to Santa Clara
County Civil Grand Jury final reports
18. Subject: Parks and Recreation Commission Work Plan for Fiscal Year 2011 - 2012
Recommended Action: Approve Work Plan
The City Clerk distributed a copy of the revised staff report regarding the Parks and
Recreation Commission work plan for Fiscal Year 2011 - 2012
19. Subject: Grant of Easement for Roadway Purposes, Rajiv Pendyala and Sudharani
Pendyala, 10566 Santa Lucia Drive, APN 342 -16 -039
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -121
Description: The property owners of this residential development agree to grant to the City
an easement for public roadway purposes, together with the right to construct, operate, repair
and maintain public utilities and improvements, over a portion of the property
20. Subject: Grant of Easement for Roadway Purposes, Jagriti Mukherjee and Aniruddha
Mukherjee, 21856 Hermosa Avenue, APN 357 -16 -052
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -122
Description: The property owners of this residential development agree to grant to the City
an easement for public roadway purposes, together with the right to construct, operate, repair
and maintain public utilities and improvements, over a portion of the property
21. Subject: Improvement Agreement, Rajiv Pendyala and Sudharani Pendyala, 10566 Santa
Lucia Drive, APN 342 -16 -039
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -123
Description: Through the improvement agreement with the City, the applicants for a
building permit for a single- family residential development will be obligated to bond and
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construct city - specified roadside improvements along the street frontage of their building
site
22. Subject: Municipal Improvements, Hsuehli Joseph Yeh and Hsiaowen Tung, 10131 Santa
Clara Avenue, APN 326 -24 -050
Recommended Action: Accept Municipal Improvements
Description: The work included sidewalk, curb & gutter, driveway approach, utility trench
and paving as required by the improvement agreement with the City
23. Subject: City Project, Reconstruction of Curbs, Gutter, and Sidewalks Project No. 2010 -05
Recommended Action: Accept Project No. 2010 -05
Description: The work consisted of concrete repairs at various locations throughout the City
24. Subject: City Project, Scenic Circle Access, Project No. 2010 -9136
Recommended Action: Accept Project No. 2010 -9136
Description: The work consisted of the construction of a pathway to access Blackberry Farm
from Scenic Circle
25. Subject: City Project, 2010 Pavement Maintenance Project
Recommended Action: Accept Project No. 2010 -04
Description: The work consisted of roadway surface and concrete improvements at various
locations throughout the City
26. Subject: Quitclaim Deed and Authorization for Underground Water Rights, Rajiv Pendyala
and Sudharani Pendyala, 10566 Santa Lucia Drive, APN 342 -16 -039
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -124
Description: The property owners of this residential development agree to grant to the City
the right to extract water from the basin under the overlying property
27. Subject: Quitclaim Deed and Authorization for Underground Water Rights, Boyer Family
Partnership I, L.P., 20605 Lazaneo Drive, APN 326 -33 -096
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -125
Description: The property owner of this residential development agrees to grant to the City
the right to extract water from the basin under the overlying property
28. Subject: Quitclaim Deed and Authorization for Underground Water Rights, Bruce C.
Steakley and Joyce M. Steakley, 21750 Rainbow Drive, APN 366 -03 -064
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -126
Description: The property owners of this residential development agree to grant to the City
the right to extract water from the basin under the overlying property
29. Subject: Quitclaim Deed and Authorization for Underground Water Rights, Da -Yuan Tung
and Hsin -Ning Keng, 10611 Culbertson Drive, APN 375 -36 -025
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -127
Description: The property owners of this residential development agree to grant to the City
the right to extract water from the basin under the overlying property
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30. Subject: Quitclaim Deed and Authorization for Underground Water Rights, Shih Yu Lo and
Pei Ting Chung, 18780 Pendergast Avenue, APN 375 -27 -028
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -128
Description: The property owners of this residential development agree to grant to the City
the right to extract water from the basin under the overlying property
31. Subject: Quitclaim Deed and Authorization for Underground Water Rights, Kee Yun
Hwang, 10037 Bret Avenue, APN 375 -11 -019
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -129
Description: The property owner of this residential development agrees to grant to the City
the right to extract water from the basin under the overlying property
32. Subject: Quitclaim Deed and Authorization for Underground Water Rights, Ronsdale
Management LLC, a California Limited Liability Company, 10483 Mira Vista Avenue, APN
357 -04 -080
Recommended Action: Adopt Resolution No. 11 -130
Description: The property owner of this residential development agrees to grant to the City
the right to extract water from the basin under the overlying property
ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR (above) - None
PUBLIC HEARINGS
33. Subject: Municipal Code Amendment regarding Single - Family Residential Zones (R -1)
Recommended Action: Conduct first reading of Ordinance No. 11 -2079: "An Ordinance of
the City Council of the City of Cupertino amending Chapter 19.28, Single - Family
Residential Zones, to improve readability and consistency, the two -story design review
process, public noticing requirements, story pole requirements, and standards for Sloped
Single- Family Residential Lots"
Description: Applications: MCA - 2011 -03, EA- 2011 -05; Amendment to Chapter 19.28, Rl
Zones to improve readability and consistency and to evaluate the requirements for Sloped
Single Family Residential Lots, the 2 -story design review process, public noticing & story
poles; Applicant: City of Cupertino; Location: Citywide
The City Clerk distributed emails regarding R1 review from Chi -I Lang, Stephen Sun, Tim
Coad, Frank Sun, Miriam Salo, Paul Brophy, Jennifer Griffin, and Lisa Warren; and a copy
of the amended Draft R1 Ordinance and the staff PowerPoint presentation
Assistant Planner George Schroeder reviewed the staff report that included a chronological
list of actions taken regarding the review of s Loped lot standards. The Planning Commission
recommended removing the design review process for all two -story homes, improving the
readability and consistency of the ordinance by use of tables and better organization of state
rules, replacing story poles with a color perspective of the project and a 3D photographic
simulation, requiring notification of only the adjacent and across the street neighbors of a
project, requiring that only project site plans and elevations be included in the official
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notices and requiring development standards for sloped lots. The Planning Commission also
commented on the 45% second floor rule and the second story exposed wall and setback
surcharge rules, reorganized the tables for required permits, clarified the specific RHS
fencing requirement, clarified language on the high interior floor area rule and removed
references to restricting flat yard area grading to 2,000 square feet. Staff recommended
adopting the negative declaration and conducting the first reading of the ordinance.
Jennifer Griffin stated that her Rancho Rinconada neighborhood had spent three years
getting annexed into Cupertino. Theirs was a neighborhood of small lots and many residents
were concerned about these possible changes. She wanted the Council to leave the single -
family residential zoning alone, and to honor promised made in 2000.
Chi -I Lang did not agree that certain slope lots should be considered separately. He hoped a
sustainable solution could be reached.
Shan Zhu did not agree that fifteen lots should be subject to different regulations. He
supported property rights, and felt the Council should either remove the limitation or have it
apply to all.
Terry Brown supported the Planning Commission's recommendations. He did not think that
story poles really showed the neighbors what was going to be built. He also supported
architectural freedom, and did not believe good architectural decisions could be solely based
on mathematics.
Stephen Sun supported streamlining the building and design process. He referred to the high
cost of housing in Cupertino and believed owners should have a right to build their dream
homes.
Lisa Warren did not believe the ordinance should be changed. She had attended the
workshop and did not think the Planning Commission's recommendations reflected the
residents' input. She noted that it was a prevailing opinion among some residents that their
comments were not being heard and decisions on some matters had already been made.
Frank Sun supported the Planning Commission recommendations. He also noted that sloped
lot regulations should not apply to only fifteen lots but if put in place should apply to all.
Adam Montgomery, representing the Silicon Valley Association of Realtors, supported the
Planning Commission recommendations. He believed streamlining was needed and there
should be clear and consistent policies in place. He also noted that not all cities had design
review.
Council discussed the recommendations before them, noting that the issue of sloped lots was
the driving force behind reopening this ordinance. Single- family residential zoning was a
difficult issue and it was important to balance property rights with the impact of a project on
the neighbors. All recommendations were reviewed and discussed with particular emphasis
on sloped lots and design review.
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Mahoney moved and Chang seconded to approve Negative Declaration EA- 2011 -05. The
motion carried unanimously.
Mahoney moved and Chang seconded to approve MCA - 2011 -03 with the following
conditions:
a. Accept the planning commission recommendations regarding ordinance readability and
consistency, public noticing requirements, story pole requirements, and development
standards for sloped lots with the following modification:
i. Public noticing materials, site sign— changed color perspective rendering to
black and white perspective rendering
b. Amend the planning commission recommendation for two -story design review with the
following:
i. Design review shall be required if exceeding 66% second floor to first floor ratio
and /or if second story setbacks are less than 15 feet to the side property line
ii. The 66% trigger for design review would not apply to homes developing on
building pads /graded areas with actual slopes of over 20 %, however, design
review would apply if second story setbacks are less than 15 feet to the side
property line
c. Remove the second story exposed wall and second story setback surcharge rules
The City Clerk read the title of the ordinance. Mahoney moved and Chang seconded to read
the ordinance by title only, and that the City Clerk's reading would constitute the first
reading thereof. Ayes: Chang, Mahoney, Santoro, Wang and Wong. Noes: None.
RECESS - Council recessed from 9:50 p.m. to 10:10 p.m.
Council discussion followed to clarify the City Council's intention regarding the previous
motion on the Single- Family Residential (R -1) zone. Council member Mahoney said that
previously houses on a slope over 15% (which has now been changed to 20 %) did not have
a second -floor size restriction. He noted that the 66% trigger for design review would not
apply to homes on a slope of over 20 %; however, the 15 -foot setback trigger would still
apply. The City Council members all concurred with this clarification.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS - None
NEW BUSINESS
34. Subject: Assessment of fees on private parcels for the annual weed abatement program
Recommended Action: Conduct a hearing and adopt Resolution No. 11 -131
Mayor Wong opened the hearing, and there were no requests to speak. Mahoney moved and
Wang seconded to adopt Resolution No. 11 -131. The motion carried unanimously.
35. Subject: Ordinance to "Opt in" to an Alternative Voluntary Redevelopment Program under
ABx1 27, the Voluntary Program Act
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Recommended Action: Conduct the first reading of Ordinance 11 -2080: An Ordinance of
the City Council of the City of Cupertino enacted pursuant to Health and Safety Code
section 34193 to elect and implement participation by the City of Cupertino and the City of
Cupertino Redevelopment Agency in the alternative voluntary Redevelopment program
pursuant to part 1.9 of the California Community Redevelopment Law"
Director of Administrative Services Carol Atwood reviewed the staff report and a
memorandum dated August 2 contrasting the opt -in and opt -out choices. She stated that staff
was recommending the opt -in choice because it provided more options in the future, the city
could choose to opt -out at any time. In addition, the reinstatement of approximately
$250,000 to the General Fund would offset the $240,000 loss to the city in vehicle license
fees.
Director of Finance David Woo provided Council with a detailed explanation of the chart
outlining the financial ramifications of both options.
Jennifer Griffin inquired if the city would still receive money from the Santa Clara County
Housing Fund as it had in the past, whether or not it decided to opt in or out, and was told
that it would.
Paul Brophy, Planning Commissioner, stated that if the city selected the opt -in choice there
would be no money for discretionary projects over the next five years and very little
additional housing money. He believed that redevelopment agencies took property tax from
new development that was supposed to be for schools, special districts, etc. and gave that
money to politically connected developers, realtors, lawyers, etc. The State still gave money
to the school districts but it was money that was previously given away.
Lynn Hutchins, Special Redevelopment Agency Counsel, stated that the legislation required
that the city adopt an ordinance on this matter. Therefore, it was required action by the City
Council and not the Redevelopment Agency. She also noted that the remittance payment
going to schools would count against the Proposition 98 cap for 2011 -12 but would not in
future years. She commented that basic aid schools already received more tax revenue than
non -basic aid schools. Ms. Hutchins stated that the California Redevelopment Association
and the League of California Cities had filed a lawsuit on July 18 asking the California
Supreme Court to exercise its original jurisdiction and hear this case. No decision had been
made at this time.
Mayor Wong and Council Members Mahoney, Santoro and Wang stated that it was not a
great choice but they agreed with the opt -in option recommended by staff. It left open future
options, and with pending lawsuits it was important to do this. Mayor Wong also noted that
Proposition 22 protected city funding and he believed Sacramento was pitting special
interest groups against each other.
Council Member Chang said he would choose to opt out because if the schools don't get the
extra money, and with the state's financial troubles, ultimately the city will not do well
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either. The city may get extra money, but a lot of it goes to administrative costs instead of
the redevelopment of the city.
Mahoney moved and Wang seconded to approve an ordinance to "opt -in" to an Alternative
Voluntary Redevelopment Program under AB 127, the Voluntary Program Act. The motion
passed with Council Member Chang voting no.
The City Clerk read the title of the ordinance. Mahoney moved and Wang seconded to read
the ordinance by title only, and that the City Clerk's reading would constitute the first
reading thereof. Ayes: Mahoney, Santoro, Wang and Wong. Noes: Chang.
ORDINANCES - None
STAFF REPORTS - None
COUNCIL REPORTS
Council Member Mahoney commented on the Taiwanese /Chinese Athletic Tournament, the 5th
anniversary dinner of the Thean Hou Temple, the Relay for Life and a recent food event held at
Quinlan. He also asked the City Attorney about the Christmas tree question raised earlier in the
meeting. Mayor Wong noted that the Vice -Mayor from Hsinchu recently visited Cupertino to
strengthen the Sister City relationship.
City Attorney Carol Korade stated that the legality of the Christmas tree naming had not
definitively been resolved by the courts, but that it was primarily a policy matter, although there
is always a small risk of litigation.
Council member Chang showed a letter written to him, written by Santa Clara County Executive
Jeffrey Smith, which had been released to the news media. He had said he had been speaking
out about the County not enforcing the mining laws and not imposing penalties on Lehigh. Mr.
Chang said that the letter made false accusations, stating that he had threatened staff, and no -one
had asked for his side of the story. The letter h_ad since been annotated with comments and
distributed to Cupertino residences by an unknown party. He asked the City Attorney if this
activity was legal. He also questioned the timing of its distribution. City Attorney Carol Korade
stated that she could not comment on County liability.
Mayor Wong said that Kelly Kline, Economic Development Manager and Redevelopment
Manager, was leaving to accept a position in another city. He thanked her for excellent service
to the community, and said that the City Council appreciated her any contributions to Cupertino.
Mayor Wong also mentioned that Terry Greene, the City Architect, had recently retired. He
thanked Mr. Greene for his many years of service to the city and his significant contributions to
many of the city's most important projects.
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ADJOURNMENT
At 11:18 p.m., the meeting was adjourned.
Kimberly Smith, ity Clerk
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