101-draft minutes.pdfCITY OF CUPERTINO
10300 Torre Avenue
Cupertino, CA 95014
CITY OF CUPERTINO PLANNING COMMISSION
DRAFT MINUTES
6:45 P.M. August 9, 2011 TUESDAY
CUPERTINO COMMUNITY HALL
The regular Planning Commission meeting of August 9, 2011 was called to order at 6:45 p.m. in
the Cupertino Community Hall, 10350 Torre Avenue, Cupertino, CA., by Chairperson Winnie Lee.
SALUTE TO THE FLAG
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ROLL CALL
Commissioners present: Chairperson: Winnie Lee
Vice Chairperson: Marty Miller
Commissioner: Paul Brophy
Commissioner: Clinton Brownley
Commissioners absent: Commissioner: Don Sun
Staff present: City Planner: Gary Chao
Senior Planner: Colin Jung
Assistant Planner: George Schroeder
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
1. Minutes of July 12, 2011 Planning Commission meeting:
MOTION: Motion by Vice Chair Miller, second by Com. Brownley, and carried 4-0-0,
Com. Sun absent; to approve the July 12, 2011 Planning Commission minutes
as presented.
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS: None
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
Jennifer Griffin, Rancho Rinconada resident:
• Expressed her concern about some items that were being presented to the review committees,
Planning Commission and City Council in the last several months, particularly relating to
FAR, the R1 ordinance, development permit process, and zoning. She cautioned the city to
slow down and make sure that everyone is on board with what is happening and how it affects
all the neighborhoods in Cupertino. She said she was distressed to learn that the R1 ordinance
was being taken apart and the Council was considering changing the FAR at a recent meeting,
and she was also concerned about the development permit process and how it goes hand in
hand with the destruction of the R1 ordinance.
Mark Matsumoto, Government Affairs Specialist, Cupertino Chamber of Commerce:
• Introduced himself to the Planning Commission, stating that he was the new Government
Affairs Specialist with the Cupertino Chamber of Commerce. One of his responsibilities is to
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work with the Planning Commission and city staff to create partnerships and opportunities for
businesses and the city of Cupertino.
POSTPONEMENTS/REMOVAL FROM CALENDAR: None
CONSENT CALENDAR: None
PUBLIC HEARING
2. DP-2011-03, ASA-2011-12, Development Permit to allow the construction of two new
EXC-2011-10, TR-2011-30 retail building pads, 8,136 sq. ft. and 5,086 sq. ft. respectively
Mark Creedon (Byer and demolition of an existing 4,930 sq. ft. restaurant building
Properties) 20750 Stevens for a net square footage increase of 8,292 sq. ft. Architectural
Creek Blvd. and Site Approval for two new retail building pads and
associated site improvements, including, but not limited to
parking lot reorientation, lighting, landscaping and street
frontage improvements consistent with the Heart of the City
Specific Plan. Exception to the Heart of the City Specific Plan
to allow a 26 foot setback for a new Tree Removal Permit to
allow the removal and replacements of 79 trees within an
existing shopping center parking lot in conjunction with the
proposed new development. Tentative City Council date:
September 6, 2011
George Schroeder, Assistant Planner, presented the staff report:
• Reviewed the application and project summary, as outlined in the staff report; which included
demolition of the Marie Callender’s restaurant, and addition of two new retail buildings,
sidewalk, landscaping, lighting and frontage enhancements to the site, parking lot
improvements, etc.
• He reviewed the information relative to site improvements, architectural review, Heart of the
City front setback exception, parking, tree removal and replacement, public outreach
meetings held, lot mergers, delivery, and signage as detailed in the staff report.
• Staff recommends that the Planning Commission recommend approval to the City Council in
accordance with the model resolution.
• Staff answered questions about the application.
Gary Chao:
• Said that although it is useful to compare shopping centers as the consultant did, sometimes
you have to also consider the percent of restaurant; the ratio that it is being locked in at,
because it makes a big difference.
Com. Brophy:
• Said he was concerned about the parking; the application is 80 spaces below the zoning
ordinance; the alternate solution offered developers is to allow them to hire the city’s
consultant to evaluate the site, to recommend appropriate parking, which has been done with
many centers in town. The developer would provide his site plan and the traffic consultant
would evaluate what the demand is and compare that to the number of spaces that the
developers propose. He asked if Hexagon had ever come in with a number that did not meet
the developer’s request. He said staff provided him with copies of other studies done by
Hexagon for his review, and he found that they use different methodologies for different
projects.
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Gary Chao:
• Said they don’t exclusively use Hexagon; they have had situations in the past where after the
first round of analysis, the consultant would prompt issues and concerns which gave them
reasons or abilities to discuss issues with the developer, to either provide more parking or
reduce the intensity to meet the demand.
Com. Brophy:
• Said he reviewed other studies by Hexagon and was concerned that they appeared to use
different methodologies; in the Cupertino Village study they talked about the need to 15 or 20
spaces per 1,000 feet of restaurant; but in this project they are looking at 11 to 13 being
adequate. Given that this site barely meets their number, the concern is that given the proposal
for restaurants in both buildings the numbers don’t seem to add up and it is difficult to accept
Hexagon’s work. Asked staff to clarify why they feel the zoning ordinance is the one to use.
Gary Chao:
• It is difficult to set on one particular ratio or formula that would work and when it happens,
(we) return to the ordinance that has one rate that treats every type of restaurant, shopping
center here is; therefore staff relies on the consultants to provide more insight; actually going
out, measuring and establishing baselines based on other examples.
Com. Brophy:
• Said it was stated that there are centers in town that have a surplus of parking spaces, but he
was at a loss to think of any successful centers with a large surplus of parking spaces and
assumed they planned to add a condition regarding what tenants the developer should lease to.
He questioned if there was an example that shows that the zoning ordinance is not sufficient as
a guide for parking.
Gary Chao:
• Said he did not have a good answer in terms of how to determine the factor of success. The
consultant attempts to measure other shopping centers with similar makeup and tenant mix so
that is their best estimate in terms of projecting a ratio to consider. It doesn’t mean that based
on the Commission’s assessment this evening that they cannot discuss the issue with the
applicant about looking at the ratio of restaurant that they are comfortable with, or looking at
ways where the city has opportunities in the near future to let the tenants go in and see if there
are at least additional adjustments down the road.
Com. Brophy:
• Commented that once you build it, it is difficult to talk about adjustments.
Mark Creedon, Project Architect, Representing Byer Properties:
• Said they supported the resolution in principle; and would discuss some items for the
Commission to examine and discuss. Items 14, 15, 16, relating to some design latitude for
building E; adding a cap or light bar. Said they disagreed with the recommendation, felt it was
garish, and would like to have some latitude with doing something different. Said they would
prefer to use wood around the entrances as it presented a warmer look and would complement
what was there.
• Other two items, substantially opening up and adding doors all the way to grade which would
be ideal in most instances and is done on the other pad building. They currently have booth
seating on the front of Stevens Creek although they do have some additional overflow, public
seating in the front of the building and they have regulated seating part restaurant on the side
of a pedestrian plaza towards the Heritage Oak. Because of that it wouldn’t make sense to
bring doors all the way to grade, since it could not be open because health code requires
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screens in front of those doors. He asked that the requirement be relaxed so they could have
their windows as shown.
• Signage, Items 14 & 16: They endorse the idea of having site signage in front of Building E
on a low wall. If required to have a low project site sign, they would like to move the
landmark sign to the median adjacent to it.
• Item 15: A recommendation was made that the owner of the property file a covenant with the
City requiring that Building E entrance on Stevens Creek. They endorse the idea of entrance
on Stevens Creek and have designed the building so it has entry on both sides as staff
mentioned; also have accommodated a plaza on the front as well, but feel it is over-stepping
and highly restricting the owner to enter into a covenant when he is trying to get tenants for the
building and negotiating on getting leases. He requested that the covenant requirement be
stricken.
• Clarified on Item 14 there was a recommendation of a light cap, a light bar on the top of the
entrance on Building F… would like that stricken; would prefer to use wooden trellises around
the entrances.
• No. 15 – Have designed the project with doors on that side; and have two end cap tenants
which will have doors on all three sides of Building E.
• Commented on discussion of parking; asked many of the same questions and responded much
of the same way. When ordinances are made, they are created to address a stand alone building
as well as a mix of those in a shopping center. The requirements of a stand alone building are
different; there are complementary uses in many shopping centers, where a consumer will go
to different stores in the same center but park in only one space.
Gary Chao commented on the conditions:
• Relative to the conditions about the architectural consultant recommendations, he said staff
generally agrees with the applicant. The language of the condition gives the applicant latitude
in terms of flexibility in allowing staff to make variations from the list, understanding that
ultimately it has to fit the program and demand of the particular tenant.
• Said some of the items listed are good, and cited an example of the cap end on the top of the
light bar; noting that if they are looking at architecture, the intent is to ensure it is a nice finish
to the edges, but not necessarily a light bar; it could be another method. That is the reason why
the conditions read as such; it is not locked in stone. He said he was not encouraging deleting
it from the list, but to allow staff to work it out with the applicant with assurance that they will
work with them to meet their criteria.
• With regards to the entrances condition, the goal of the Heart of the City is to promote an
activation of the street frontage so the idea is not to have any back of house service oriented
activities facing Stevens Creek. Given that this is a new building there is no excuse to create
that sort of situation; and they can live without the covenant requirement, and leaving it as a
condition would be fine. Staff would have some concerns if it was taken out because that was
expressed to the applicant the first day and it was thought to be agreed upon. The covenant is
not needed; the condition speaks for itself.
• Regarding the signage and its relevancy to the Crossroads existing landmark sign, he said it
would require an exception to move the Crossroads landmark sign. The ordinance that
Council recently adopted which preserves the ability for property owners to upkeep the
landmark signs are exactly just that; you can’t rebuild or relocate it, only in time where it is
dilapidating or you need to keep it up. The low wall sign is a mere suggestion, it could be a
traditional ground sign or not have a sign there; not locked in stone, it is something to be
worked out later depending on the requirements and criteria.
• Relative to Building F, the French doors when closed serve as a wall so that on nice sunny
days they can be opened up and activity can spill out; the intent is to facilitate that type of
environment. Given the fact they are asking for a setback average of 31 feet, the justification
behind that is that area is a unique intimate setting where people can sit out and flow in and
out. The reason why staff did not consider what was going on inside is because they were not
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given the floor plan to review; that is a comment about having the interior booth or other
functionality inside, as required by the tenant; staff was not privy to that information. Staff can
work with the applicant; no one wants to violate any health codes or ABC licensing codes
because if alcohol is served, you need to have fencing or gates to separate the public space
from the private space. Staff can be flexible in terms of working with the applicant and
making sure he meets all the rules, including state and county rules.
• Said the Director of Community Development reviews the sign program.
Chair Lee opened the public hearing.
Jennifer Griffin, Rancho Rinconada resident:
• Said she felt the site was one of the most important centers in Cupertino and welcomed new
stores to regenerate shopping in the area.
• Relative to the Heart of the City exception being requested, it has been established that most of
the city wants to have the same look and feel from one end of the city to the other along
Stevens Creek Boulevard and that means a full 35 foot setback; which has been tested time and
again. Said her main issue with the project is the request for the Heart of the City exception
because she was not very familiar with the Panera project from about 2005, and did not know
much about that area, although she always felt that Panera was too close to the street. The
request for the exception was 26 feet; but at 26 feet there is almost 100 feet of public right of
way along Stevens Creek Boulevard that is affected. There is dining furniture in the public
right of way; a building at 26 feet, and parking stalls. Said she felt it would be a successful
restaurant, but it was important to pull it back, get it out of the public right of way which is the
reason for the Heart of the City. With the sensitive design of the building, it can be pulled
back 35 feet and still have a successful establishment, but respect Heart of the City.
Darren Lum, Cupertino resident:
• Thanked Byer Properties for bringing the project to Cupertino; Said he had concerns about the
exception to the Heart of the City;
• Referred to Page 4, para. 6 of staff report, regarding constraints of the project site; he said he
felt the are due to the siting of Building F and also with the adjustment of the lot line between
the Marie Callender site and the parking lot. It is creating a parcel that is over 40,000 sq. ft. for
a building that is 5,000 sq. ft. which represents 12% of the total. The developer wants to put
the new building up against Stevens Creek; he said he felt there are other possibilities of siting
that new building.
• At the end of the paragraph, it says that the project is the 26 foot landscaping easement and is
consistent with commercial district; however, the 26 foot setback is not consistent with the
Heart of the City Specific Plan which has a 26 foot boulevard easement and then a 9 foot
setback for the building which equals 35 feet. Most of the parcels are sufficiently deep in
depth that you can move the buildings back and not impinge on the easements.
• He questioned why none of the proposed projects adhere to the Heart of the City Specific Plan.
It would be a great opportunity for the city and the developer to create the boulevard they are
trying to achieve with Heart of the City.
• He noted some discrepancies in the staff report and the architect’s dimensions on the side
setback, one says 35 feet and the staff report says 35 feet to the east and 492 feet to the west
which is a large setback. The rear setback on the architect’s cover sheet is 92 feet, the staff
report says 320 feet.
• While the consolidated Marie Callender parcel has sufficient space to meet the parking
requirements of Building F; no where in the report does it state what the parking requirements
are for Building F; it appears that there are 40 parking spaces for the new building, whereas the
Marie Callender building has 50.
Chair Lee closed the public hearing.
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Gary Chao:
• Some of the constraints regarding the site that Dr. Lum discussed is not just the fact that the
building has to be located in the front; there is a grade difference between the front half of the
lot to the rear half. The parking lot that Com. Miller was referring to west of the TJ Maxx
building, is sitting at a higher level and there is a slight retaining wall that separates the west
parking lot from the parking lot from Pizza Hut and also Marie Callenders; naturally you only
have the front area to work with.
• Said they always try to encourage new development, especially restaurants, to be located as far
away from residential as possible. Not only does this plan achieve this, it also satisfies the
activation goal of having a nice architectural presentation in front of the street as opposed to
the sea of parking. With all those considered, given the first preservation of the oak tree, the
constraint of the grade differences that exists, also the fact that this is the plan that will give
you the maximum number of parking stalls, given the concern about the parking; staff is
comfortable supporting the exception.
• It is also important to note that the 26 foot minimum landscaping easement discussed, the look
and feel of the Heart of the City is not compromised. The 26 foot minimum landscaping
easement prescribed by the Heart of the City is intact and that allows for a park strip sidewalk
and another park strip; in this case given this section of the crossroad section of the Heart of
the City, that details more urban, similar to Peets, Panera and Whole Foods. When stating the
project is consistent with the Heart of the City, it is referring to those features, the landscaping
features. Staff will answer some of the setback questions.
George Schroeder:
• Relative to setbacks, he said there were discrepancies between the plans and staff report due to
being measured from different places. The setbacks were measured to the rear property line of
the parcel, and the setback measurements in the plans were to incorrect location of the property
line; the ones for Building E were measured for the large shopping center parcel and also to
one of the current sliver parcels and the ones for Building F were measured to their own
parcels.
Com. Brownley:
• Said he was excited about the new restaurant and shops, including the sidewalk landscaping,
street furniture and enhancement, everything elating to activating Stevens Creek and making it
walkable and friendly. Staff will work with the applicant on concerns regarding storage of
shipping containers, delivery trucks, lighting, odor, and traffic to make them conditions for
approval. The remaining issues are parking and the exception for the Heart of the City, but
based on the discussion, there was a traffic study done that says based on the similar projects in
the city with similar parking characteristics, the parking around this area will be adequate. To
a certain degree the parking issue has been discussed and addressed.
• The exception for the Heart of the City: There are constraints on all sides on things that they
are trying to do that make this an appropriate location for the building; in addition to that there
is the precedent of having the exceptions in the past, and for those reasons that is how he is
looking at some of the problems seen on this project.
Com. Brophy:
• After looking at the issue on the Heart of the City exception, while we prefer not to do that, the
need to connect that building and connect the pedestrian connection towards the Pizza Hut and
to try to preserve the Oak tree there, this may be an acceptable solution.
• A single building with an average of 31 feet is not the end of the world because while looking
for a boulevard approach, this is the most heavily commercial section of Stevens Creek
Boulevard and a single exception won’t likely make a difference. He said he was not
concerned as there are already a number of pre-existing buildings that are closer than that.
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• Said he was still concerned about parking and there were still unanswered questions remaining.
The Hexagon study uses unconvincing examples, the Homestead Shopping Center is the
weakest large center in the community; even before P W Super shut down it had a very large
store with low volume, and an oversized Rite Aid, so the traffic was never large. The other
examples used in the survey 18 months ago in Mountain View and Santa Clara were not
comparable to this center; which negates that as a reason for supporting it. Said he did not view
it as a theoretical issue, but looked at the work that has been done at other successful centers in
town; look at the parking analysis, at Cupertino village which on Sundays does not have
enough parking there; and look at Market Place and it’s not quite overcrowded but close. In
both cases there were reports by Hexagon saying don’t worry that regardless of what the city’s
zoning ordinance says, this is what will work. He said it was not the sort of thing that provided
confidence when reading the study that is supposed to reassure us that this will barely work
with any spaces less than required.
• Said the city’s restaurant standards are too light; if you want to look at a stand alone restaurant,
look at BJs at any time, they can’t even do open parking; they had to go to valet parking which
emphasizes, if anything, restaurant uses in the ordinance are insufficiently strict and since this
is a proposal to add additional entire restaurant space, he felt he could not support it the way it
was. He asked the Commissioners if anyone else agreed with him, that it appeared the
alternatives are either to not allow Building E or to allow Building E along with Building F but
to require that it not be food uses. According to his calculations, that would bring it back to
where the city’s zoning ordinance is. He said he was presenting it as two alternatives to
approving a project that he felt did not have enough parking to support it.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Staff has already agreed to eliminate the covenant on Condition 15; he supports the concept of
giving the applicant the latitude to make some changes to the light bar, to substitute wood for
metal trellises, and also to discuss the signing with staff. He said he was not opposed to
bringing any further issues to the DRC if staff and the applicant cannot work it out together.
• Said he was concerned about the Heart of the City exception; however the most positive thing
is the activation of the street front. He referred to the success of the Peets and Panera Breads
outdoor seating in front of the buildings and said there was value in that to make the exception.
• Said that parking was always a judgment call and he was sensitive to Com. Brophy’s concerns.
Most of the high demand parking seems to be generated by successful restaurant traffic, and
when comparing the Market Place to this center, there are at least 7 or 8 restaurants in the
Market Place, and only two in the subject center. The current use would support this ratio;
however, if the remaining Commissioners were interested in having a covenant that said if they
were going to come in for more restaurant parking, it would be reasonable that the Planning
Commission would have to review it.
Com. Brophy:
• Said that part of the situation with the center now is there are vast amounts of vacant space and
there are a number of other low traffic generating uses that are occupied. He was concerned
that using the formulas they have, that given what would be expected for these spaces, once
those spaces are filled, they may find that is not the case. It is well below what the zoning
ordinance requires and barely meets what he thought were pushing the numbers.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Said he understood the concern; 10 or 20 years ago, when all the spaces were filled, it was
difficult to remember a time when the center was underparked. It is a judgment call and he
would be more concerned if there were more restaurants on the site because restaurants do tend
to overflow parking. He said he did not see a problem with having some restriction that they
can’t arbitrarily add significant more restaurant space without coming back.
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Gary Chao:
• Staff is proposing in the condition that any additional intensification, i.e., more restaurants
being proposed than what they are showing, require additional review by staff. Currently the
proposal is for the entire Building E to be restaurants. It is the worst case scenario and not
realistic; what you can do is back that number down a little; what if it is 2/3, or 50%; that is
something you can consider as opposed to just all retail.
Com. Brophy:
• Said it is already included in Condition 11 that if the parking is not working, they use valet
parking for the restaurant space. He said BJs had that as an alternative, although not ideal; and
he viewed BJs as a parking failure, not a success; and should not be used as a model.
• An option would be to limit the amount of food use because of the dramatic difference in
parking demand between food and non-food use. As a compromise, suggest limit Building E
to 50% food; it was suggested Building E be a non-food building because that would get us
just about down to what the zoning ordinance requires in terms of parking. If there is a desire
to try to work something, he said he would rather see Building E be no more than half food
with the option that the applicant could come back, if and when the center is fully built out. If
there is surplus parking, if he wanted to then convert either the remaining space in Building E
or space in the main building then it could be done at that time when there is actual evidence
that there is not a problem.
Gary Chao:
• Said a possible example to consider is the way that Market Place set up their condition, locking
in a percent of maximum restaurant for the center; when Building E is 50% occupied, staff
would have to come back with another assessment to demonstrate at that time the parking
demand on the ground.
Com. Brophy:
• Said if looking for a compromise solution, he would rather look at 50% with the option of the
owner coming back at a future time when the center is fully leased out and if there is surplus
parking.
Gary Chao:
• Relative to size of parking spaces, he said the Planning Code requires uniform stall size; with
no option of compact size; that is the current ordinance. The applicant indicated they were
using the medium size parking space.
Mark Creedon:
• Explained how the number of parking spaces is arrived at, what the parking analysis takes into
account, and factors to make sure there is some cushion. Will the center always have ample
parking anytime someone wants to arrive around the holiday season; probably not; 85% of the
time there will be parking available for them.
Com. Brophy:
• Said he was not concerned about holidays, but when he saw centers in town built on the advice
of the traffic consultant that they could safely ignore the zoning code; and they were crowded
every weekend, it struck him that a mistake was made, not that it should be business as usual.
Vice Chair Miller:
• We are talking about some kind of limitation on use of the space in Building E; is that
workable from your standpoint?
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Mark Creedon:
• Said they would prefer to look at it over the entire center; which the staff report reflects,
because it provides flexibility for the owner to not have dark spaces. If there is a vacancy in
one part of the center, or if the amount of retail or restaurant/food use is limited, they may not
want to move to another part of the center; they may prefer that building; it is a better location
for food use.
• It is flexibility for the whole center, and he said they are in agreement with limiting it, and
don’t want to intensify the site any more than that. Staff quoted 15% over the whole center for
food use; they could never exceed that and would have to come back with a request to do that.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Asked where they were at in terms of the percentage of food space for the total center.
Gary Chao:
• 15%, assuming you are leasing Building E completely to restaurants.
Com. Brophy:
• Said he could support 10%; suggested that Building E be a maximum of 50% food.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Suggested that in the interest of giving the owner flexibility, they use that number to come out
with a percentage for the entire center. It works out to the most he can fill Building E with
now.
Com. Brophy:
• Suggested that the number not exceed existing restaurant uses plus Building F plus half of
Building E.
Gary Chao:
• This doesn’t mean that they can’t come back for additional restaurant; they can if they
demonstrate with evidence once everybody is situated and open and fully or significantly
leased.
Com. Brophy:
• Said he agreed with Vice Chair Miller’s comments about the architectural conditions.
Gary Chao:
• Asked if the Commission agreed with staff’s direction about the window; to work with the
applicant but not violate state laws regarding the French door condition.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Said he was not in favor of limiting the indoor restaurant seating space. The applicant said
there was a separate door for the service to go in and out easily without interfering with the
patron traffic going in and out the front door; therefore, he was opposed to reducing the
functionality of the restaurant.
Gary Chao:
• Suggested if that was the general concern, they don’t want to preclude them from being able to
logistically operate their interior floor layout. They would like the window to come down
further so that it looks like a storefront as opposed to a half wall; at least visually it looks retail
friendly or more activated so there is more visibility in and out. He felt they could work out a
condition that gives them the flexibility to work with the applicant to the maximum extent
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possible to explore opening it up. However, if it doesn’t meet the applicant’s criteria, they
might consider just working another window design so it is stretched further down toward the
ground to give it that look.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Said he agreed; it would be a lot less convenient for people to eat outside if they had to go out
the main entrance.
Com. Brownley:
• Said he agreed with the discussion about opening up the space; but in the event it needs to be
curtailed, there is an extra entrance, and bring the windows down to make it more friendly.
Motion: Motion by Vice Chair Miller, second by Com. Brophy, and unanimously carried
4-0-0, Com. Sun absent, to approve Application DP-2011-03, ASA-2011-12,
EXC-2011-10, TR-2011-30 with the changes discussed
Chair Lee declared a short recess.
2. EXC-2011-08, INT-2011-01, Hillside Exception to allow the construction of a new,
TR-2011-22, EA-2011-08 3,704 sq. ft. single family residence with an approx. 1,189 Barre Barnes (WJB sq. ft. basement on slopes greater than 30% on a vacant
Canyon, LLC) lot; Request for a yard interpretation to interpret Cordova
Lot 167, Cordova Rd. Rd., instead of San Juan Road, as the front yard for a new Single family residence; Tree removal permit to allow the
Removal and replacements of protected 25% and 32”
diameter Coast Live Oak trees. Planning Commission
decision final unless appealed.
Colin Jung, Senior Planner, presented the staff report:
• Reviewed the application for the residential hillside exception for a new home, yard
interpretation to interpret Cordova Road as the front yard and tree removal permit for removal
and replacement of two Live Oak trees; as outlined in the staff report. He illustrated photos of
the various elevations of the proposed residence and reviewed the project site data.
• He reviewed the background of the item, including zoning consistency, front yard
interpretation, relocation of Cordova Road gate, tree removal and landscaping, design
considerations, geological review, meeting with surrounding neighbors and their concerns.
• Staff supports the applicant’s request to have the Cordova Road yard designated as the front
yard since the developable portion of the lot lies well below the San Juan Road grade and
vehicular access is not feasible without excessive grading, and tall retaining walls. Pedestrian
access is also difficult, with Cordova Road having a much easier access. The proposed
housing geometry is more compatible with Cordova Road as the designated front yard. The
gate conflicts with the proposed driveway; and Public Works agrees that the gate can be
moved further down Cordova Road without interfering with the available utilities on the street.
Staff recommends approval of the tree removal permit and replacement of two Live Oak trees.
Staff feels that a minor design change should be made to the three-story wall north of the
garage and a condition has been added to the resolution requiring the applicant to make the
minor design change at the building permit stage.
• As a result of the geological review completed by the applicant’s geologist and the city’s
geologist, it is recommended by the city geologist that the project can be approved from a
geotechnical standpoint, but is recommending at the building permit stage, there be a remedial
grading plan prepared to address the fill that has not moved, but should be remediated.
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• He reviewed the concerns of adjacent neighbors, including impact of adjacent neighbors;
views through the property, retaining the Cordova Road street gate, what is being done to
address the additional storm drainage that will be generated from the property, and the current
deterioration of existing storm drainage improvements on Cordova Road. They were also
concerned about the geotechnical review, reviewing the past landscape activity which it has
done. There was a question about whether the public hearing notice included the O’Grady-
owned property; one was within the 300 foot radius, and the other was not; and there was also
a concern about the Oak tree removal; those concerns were responded to in the staff report.
• Staff recommends approval of the mitigated negative declaration and approval of the hillside
exception, interpretation and tree removal per the attached resolutions.
Staff answered questions regarding the application.
Barre Barnes, Applicant:
• Said he has built several homes on San Juan Road and is familiar with the soil, rain, etc. He
has hired two geologists, designed the house to remove the fill that is on it instead of taking it
out and bringing it back and causing more grading; and are removing the majority of the fill
that was placed on the lot. There is a foundation, the slab underneath, the basement and it is
also going to be on piers. They are working with staff and Public Works to do whatever is
needed relative to the water retention issue.
Chair Lee opened the public hearing.
Jennifer Griffin, Rancho Rinconada resident:
• Said she was aware the area had building rights that date back to the 1920s/30s. She addressed
the issues of the two Oak trees, the 25 inch tree appears to have problems and the 32 inch one
appears to be healthy. She commended the property owner for trying to save the 32 inch tree,
and suggested for replacement, they try to plant seedlings off the property of the same genus or
species.
Barbara Danny, speaking on behalf of a group including the Wests, Mr. Dunn, Mrs. Lam
and Caroline Anderson on San Juan Roads:
• Thanked staff for listening to neighbors concerns and answering them; they appreciate the
diligence that staff has paid to this item. The neighbors concur with the resolution 2011-8 with
the following recommendations with respect to the relocation of the gate on Cordova Road.
• Suggested adding the sentence to the resolution: “The gate shall remain closed during and
after construction”. She said there is ample access to the road from San Juan and they ask that
the developer and his contractors stay on the public portion of San Juan Road and not use the
private extension of San Juan. Also on the geotechnical review there was some discussion
about the city geologist and geotechnical representative and in their July 20th letter which
outlines their conditions, they said that they did not have a copy of the plans or cross sections
illustrating the extent of remedial grading; and they would like to be noticed when the city gets
that so they can look at the plans, because the drainage and grading are a major concern.
• On the relocated gate on Cordova Road, the road is too narrow and fragile for the gate to
remain open at any time, including during construction traffic. Because Cordova Road will
serve for drainage from Lot 167, they request that the Cordova Road berm be repaired and the
surface of the road be patched.
• Showed a variety of photos of drainage and the fragile condition of the road and impact of the
1982 slide on properties. In 1984 Council adopted resolution 6256 to put the gate across the
road because Cordova Road is so narrow and substandard and it is impassible to through
traffic. It has remained there for 27 years and is working.
• Said the group concurred with staff’s resolution 2011-8, and requested an additional sentence
that Cordova Road should remain closed during construction and after construction, because
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the road is too narrow and fragile to handle the construction traffic. Additionally because of
the runoff and storm drain issues, they asked that the road be repaired and berm repaired also.
Annie Chyu, Cordova Road resident:
• Suggested that people visit the site and road to get a true picture of the danger in the area.
Said that it is a very dangerous area, and there have been many car accidents, and children ride
their bikes and skateboards in the area. If the trees are removed, it will release the dirt and
become a worse disaster, with mudslides. The residents would also like to have a retaining
wall behind the Oak trees for safety. She said the gate is necessary for everyone’s safety.
Wei Chyu, Cordova Road resident:
• Expressed concern about the mudslides as they cannot be controlled. He said the flood in the
street is enormous; and it is a dangerous area for cars, floods, mudslides and many people will
still have problems. The City should be cautious about approving permits for the work because
of the danger in the area.
Chair Lee closed the public hearing.
Colin Jung:
• Said that Public Works sent an email that the work relating to moving the gate and having it
remain closed; the road work for filling cracks along Cordova Road and repairing the berm; is
on their work list to be completed before the rainy season; including the repair of the asphalt
berm, and the slurry sealing of the cracks in the road.
• Relative to the outcome of the two Oak trees; he said there was a difference of opinion by the
two arborists on the second Oak; the applicant wants to try to preserve and retain the 32 inch
uphill Oak tree. The city arborist normally takes a very conservative view on trees and in this
particular case they didn’t feel that it could be preserved given the extent of the construction.
Staff is willing to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt to try and protect the tree. The
tree removal condition is that they strive to protect the tree itself; however, in the process of
going through the grading they need to make the site safe, there is still a remedial grading plan
that needs to be completed for the property.
• The arborist report indicated there had been some fill around the tree itself. The city arborist
indicated that he felt there was enough encroachment of the house within the drip line of the
Oak to make that preservation of that tree very problematic, even though it is doubtful whether
or not it will survive. If the applicant has to do more, not just grading, but put in storm water
improvements also which go up and around the property; he will not be required to return for
another public hearing, but will be required to find another suitable place on the property to
plant one or two more trees.
Gary Chao:
• Said it was important to understand with a new project given the foundation and the
remediation work, the better soil being put back, the basement and the piers going in, the
project itself is going to help stabilize the hill. There is some truth to the fact that the existing
trees hold soil. He said he felt it was one of the reasons the applicant is putting in a basement,
the retaining wall and piers underneath will hold the dirt or the hill up better than the current
lumpy situation.
Colin Jung:
• He addressed the planned drainage and storm water manipulation and control to benefit the
existing property and the neighboring properties.
• Said it was broken up into two types of drainage; there is no house there now, all the drainage
that is falling on that property is percolating into the ground. The storm drainage that the
neighbors are concerned about now is all the Legacy development that is happening, above on
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San Juan Road; that particular corner San Juan and Cordova Roads is the low point right there;
San Juan Road comes in from above and it meets down there at that corner and that low point
is where it takes all the drainage from the street down Cordova Road. At that point the city put
the asphalt concrete berming in there to keep the drainage on the road and take it as far down
to Cordova Road as possible in order to pick up an underground storm outlet there. Some of
the improvements are falling apart and they need to fix it, which is obvious from the photos.
As far as development of the house, that is going to increase the storm flows because you are
creating impervious surface from the roof of the house, from the driveway and other
hardscapes surfaces over there.
• The applicant is required by law, C3 regulations, to detain or retain his contribution on his
property; the problem is it works fine in principle on the flat lands but when you get up in the
hillsides, it is not advisable to try to keep all that water in the soils itself, because it just
lubricates it and makes it more prone to destabilizing the slope. The civil engineer says is ok
we have these requirements, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to keep the water on the property
because we don’t want to create a landslide situation, as has happened in the past; so they want
to create a reservoir on the property.
• There is a piece of the property that is relatively flat, and similar to a giant pipe with no holes;
with one small outlet from it that is going to take water from it at a certain measured rate, and
the rest of that pipe during the peak storms is going to fill up with water; but the pipe itself is
going to be tens of feet long, 18 to 24 inches diameter and will fill up with water during the
peak storm; be measured and released at a measured pace after the peak flows because it is
designed to detain the water, not retain it on the property; detain it long enough so that the
streets out there can accept the flows once the peak storm period has passed.
Com. Brophy:
• Said from a planning perspective there really are not a lot of issues; the issues are more dealing
with engineering design and approval. Clearly the critical issue will come when building
permits are requested and the engineering department has to evaluate whether or not this
project can be built to modern standards.
• Suggested adding the sentence in Section 3, No. 3 that “the gate shall remained closed during
and after construction”. In addition, add a paragraph where appropriate that neighbors who
would be notified in the normal process of planning also will receive a notice of remedial
grading plan so they can make any necessary comments to the city engineer.
Gary Chao:
• Said it was a good idea given the sensitivity of the subject. Staff would propose, that prior to
language to be added, a general condition that says prior to issuance of building permit,
regarding the remediation plans being mentioned in the geologist recommendation, when the
plans become available, they be made available to the city for review and approval and be
reviewed by the city geologist. At the same time staff will notify the public who are interested
who have spoken and provided input, that they will be available for viewing, Staff can
facilitate that. (Condition No. 2, hillside exception)
• Condition No. 11 Public Works discussing their criteria and requirements regarding drainage:
The applicant would have to demonstrate to the satisfaction of the city engineer, covering
many of the things that staff was describing; in short it is meant to not increase the impact
that’s based on the project being proposed out onto the street system, the overall system.
• He read an e-mail from Chad Mosley, the Public Works engineer: “What is the Public Works
Dept. going to do in response to the concerns raised by the neighbors … “The city has added
the portion of Cordova Road in question to its current row crack ceiling program; this program
is currently in progress and the portion that is being discussed on Cordova should be sealed
within the month. This would address some of the neighbors’ concerns in the photos shown
with the cracks going down the middle of the street. The city also has added the repair of
asphalt berm to the list of work order items that will be addressed prior to the start of the rainy
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season. The city will additionally repair a couple of potholes along Cordova Road at the same
time that the asphalt berm is being repaired; the city will request the trash company to access
10690 Cordova Road from San Juan instead of driving along portion of Cordova Road in
question; this will reduce the number of large heavy truck trips along the stretch of the road;
and Public Works confirmed once again that the gate is to remain closed during and after
construction.”
Vice Chair Miller:
• Since most of the issues center around plans that haven’t been done yet, he asked staff if they
should be looking at this again after the plans are done?
Gary Chao:
• Said he did not feel the Commission would have to look at it again; many times the city
geologist is comfortable enough with the information they were given providing
recommendation for approval. The condition will cover the fact that the plan will be reviewed
by the city engineer as well as the city consulting geologist to make sure that it is satisfactory
and that will be translated into the structural consideration during the plan check for the
Building Dept. Those are engineering issues and the geologist and city engineers will make
sure it is done properly and there is already a condition that covers that; it has to be done prior
to issuance of the building permit. Staff is comfortable that they can take care of that and
won’t allow the project to proceed unless it is all covered.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Requested that staff bring the plans back to the Planning Commission.
Gary Chao:
• Said that the information available to the neighbors will be brought back to the Planning
Commission as an item of interest for their review.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Said that the pipe is designed to retain water and let it out slowly; what happens when there is
a big storm and the pipe fills up; where does the overflow go?
Colin Jung:
• Responded that it is a very large pipe and the city storm drain system is designed for a 10 year
storm.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Said it was not what was described and wanted to clarify that staff said that on the property
there is a pipe which is designed to allow the water to flow out slowly; not the city’s system,
but the system on the site itself. If there is restricted outflow and there is unlimited inflow, the
possibility of overflowing exists. He questioned again where the overflow goes?
Gary Chao:
• The understanding is that the project is not required nor would it be appropriate for them to try
to address. One of the existing problems in time when there is a big storm and rain for
extended period of time, there are times where it is going to exceed the capacity of the system.
Colin Jung:
• If you have a storm that large you won’t worry about the outflow from this particular property;
it will be all the outflow from every other property on San Juan Road.
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Vice Chair Miller:
• Said he wanted to know what the back up plan is for where the overflow goes.
Colin Jung:
• If the pipe backs up, it would go back up through the piping system and would overflow onto
the soil around it, potentially softening the soil to the point where it slides.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Said his concern was there are questions which need to be answered before it is approved. The
next issue is, it seems possible that the water going out onto the street could make a right turn
into the driveway of the next door neighbor; so part of the solution has to address how to
prevent the water from entering the street and going into that driveway; and it is sloped away
from the driveway, but it is not clear that it is sufficient.
Gary Chao:
• Condition 11, Public Works is attempting to have a condition crafted to address that; it talks
about the storm drain system designed so that it won’t increase one percent of the flood water
surface elevation of existing storm water facilities. The last part of the condition states that
any storm water overflow or surface sheeting should be directed away from the neighboring
private property into the public right of way as much as reasonably possible. A lot of it is
existing conditions and there is always going to be the potential of 100 year storm in which
case all systems will fail; that will be the case with or without the project. The project shall not
add toward, further impact the existing system; in some ways it is going to help with the
peripheral, the surrounding area by some of the improvements around the perimeter but it’s not
going to further impact what is out there now.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Reiterated that he would like more than the general language; something very specific; that
somewhere in the plan the fact is addressed that there is the potential the slide is going to add
to the water going down the street. It is adding to a potential problem for the neighbor next
door and that neighbor’s driveway specifically needs to be addressed by an engineer. He
recommended language that states “and specifically the driveway to the east ….”
Gary Chao:
• Proposed the addition of verbiage under Condition 11 and discuss it to the extent where the
applicant shall work with city engineer and city geologist to address the potential overflow
scenario and come up with a solution that is feasible and acceptable to the geologist and city
engineer. Said they would be happy to have that conversation and make sure that at the
minimum it is being looked at and the city geologist and city engineer have given thought
about that. If it is physically impractical to do anything other than what they have out there, at
least they will have to come to that conclusion and that issue will be thought out.
• Staff will address the issue of the trash collection to the city engineer; and convey the concern
to the city engineer and hopefully facilitate conversation for them to hear Mrs. Lam’s concern
(10690 San Juan Road).
• Relative to Mrs. Lam’s question if there would be privacy landscaping, he said it is only
required of R1 single family homes, but the applicant can be asked if he would be willing to
plant some shrubs or trees to help further that effort. It is a good idea, and if the applicant is
okay with it, the Commission has the ability to require those things if they find it is relevant to
the context and concerns being raised.
Vice Chair Miller:
• The additional landscaping could serve not only as privacy landscaping, but also to retain the
water on the site and stabilize the hill.
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Gary Chao:
• If the Planning Commission desires, a condition could be added that the applicant would have
to provide a landscaping plan to the satisfaction of the Director of Community Development
which includes addressing providing additional shrubs or trees where appropriate; perhaps
with a recommendation from the city arborist to stabilize and help screen visibility.
Vice Chair Miller:
• Pointed out that the staff is requiring that the applicant put four trees on the property to replace
the two that are potentially not going to be there anymore, and there is no reason why the four
trees can’t be planted on the northern side of the property to be part of the landscaping plan to
screen and also to help stabilize.
Colin Jung summarized discussion of conditions of approval and revisions:
• Relocation of the Cordova Road street gate: Add a clause that gate shall be kept closed during
and after construction; that is modification of Condition No. 3 of the hillside exception.
• Geotechnical review: Add another paragraph that interested neighbors and the Planning
Commission will be notified of availability of the remedial grading plan once it becomes
available; staff will provide a copy to the Planning Commission.
• Public Works Conditions No. 11: Last sentence referring to any storm water, overflows or
surface sheeting shall be directed away from neighboring private properties, particularly 10690
Cordova Road and to the public right-of-way as much as reasonably possible.
• Tree removal approval: Referring to the required tree replacements it talks about the tree shall
be planted prior to final occupancy; insert a clause that says the required replacement trees
primary consideration should be given to planting the trees along the north property line next
to the abutting neighbors.
Motion: Motion by Vice Chair Miller, second by Com. Brownley, and unanimously carried
4-0-0, Com. Sun absent, to approve EXC-2011-08, INT-2011-01, TR-2011-22, and
EA-2011-08; with the gates to remain closed during and after construction; the
neighbors will be notified when the drainage and grading plans are available and
copies will be made available to the Planning Commission; the applicant will
provide some type of landscape screening plan on the north side of the property to
include the replacement trees and the neighbor immediately to the north of the
potential for water draining down her driveway and into her property will be
specifically addressed; as part of the drainage plan the question will be addressed
as to if the pipes should overflow, where does the water overflow go.
Motion: Motion by Vice Chair Miller, second by Com. Brownley, and unanimously carried
4-0-0, Com. Sun absent, to send a Minute Order to Public Works Department that
the road will be repaired and the berm will be repaired prior to October 15, 2011
OLD BUSINESS: None
NEW BUSINESS: None
REPORT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW COMMITTEE: Discussed Cordova Road at meeting.
HOUSING COMMISSION:
• Com. Brownley reported that the Commission has been visiting a variety of projects around
the County relative to affordable housing projects; and discussed Habitat for Humanity project
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that came before the Planning Commission.
MAYOR’S MONTHLY MEETING:
Com. Brownley reported:
• Bicycle and Pedestrian Committee has been working on pedestrian plan; completed the bike
plan; working on storm drain project around Monta Vista area and looking for space for
students along Orange Ave., trying to improve bike education in community; still working on
safe routes to schools and communicating with school on safe pedestrian and bicycle routes.
• Teen Commission has first meeting on September 14th; actively involved in anti-tobacco
conference; planning on having three track on that beginning early next year; also working on
Walk One Week program.
• Public Safety Commission is also working on Walk and Bike to School, and analyzing spring
data and will present results at next meeting; bike racks at Kennedy and working on Alert SCC
with schools.
• TIC had initial input on their work plan and has been notified that ATT tower on Results Way
is still pending; 4DYMax provided by Clear is in operation; currently emphasis on computers,
but should be eligible for computers and cell phones.
• Parks and Rec Commission working on work plan, including McClellan Ranch Master Plan,
still working on ducks and geese; Stevens Creek Phase 2 Trail is under way and also working
with Teen Com. with Walk One Week program.
• Library Com. is starting Sept. 1; has received funding from city to increase library hours an
additional 6 hours; conducting Poet Laureate interviews and should provide info in August;
working with Library Director to provide green practices and working with TIC and looking at
collaborative efforts with the Library and technology.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE: Meeting August 10th.
REPORT OF DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT:
• Gary Chao reported that on August 2nd, the City Council approved the R1 ordinance, 90%
consistent with Planning Commission recommendation with some twists.
• He reported that Kelly Kline accepted a job with the City of Fremont.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned to the next regular Planning Commission meeting
scheduled for August 23, 2011 at 6:45 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted: /s/Elizabeth Ellis
Elizabeth Ellis, Recording Secretary