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'1BL!PIDB: (408) 252-4505
œ-819A
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H!ID (If ¡:j&'_ - 10, 1991, <XRIRDI:Z RXIIS C ¡ D,
10300 '.I.......... AVDIB, \..U&'UU'.uO, CALDtRIIA
'D1e Jœeting _ ....11«1 to .....ok by Mayor ~J at 7:00
p.m.
RŒ.L CALL
0Junc. Preseot.:
Golållm, lb"aL., ac...~ --, szabo, Mayor IC:qpl
~ )ft-.J ~.I.a Pi .s .1:
B:lx8ie, IJ.m, 1Iebm:, Chair .TA. "'-11
ASIC )6...1 ~.a.D ltbs .L:
IAviDs
Staff 1'.. s~L:
City ~ BL__.
Dep1ty City Clerk 1I:)lfe
Di:rectar of lhnIIIm;ty nw-l,,,"·-,L 0Mm
Mayor !&'{pel ....11.... the.. . ;"'1 to .....db.. at 7:04 p.m. She
thanked ASIC ··~·J-..D far their bani 1«Jrk.
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Chair ,TA. '" - .. said ASIC 1IIIDt8 to be in sync with lhmtrll
ph;".~ of bow tbøy .. the n-ittee œgm:ding the
point of viør ASIIC triDgø to i......
lh".".. a..y.... said &be bsi øerwd CI'1 the n-ittee and
DØ\._ "hN~ now....... 1 ~.... .........n:ttee .u_.J -.... to œly
reflect their vah-.
lhtnl', !b..... ........-4 that lYmIIri..i....... ........ld not be an
ElXtellsiœ of lh""';l'S t-11no>c ots. If o,omtrll 1IIIDt8 to
dictate tbeœ ........11'1 be a policy. In the atun¡:,e of a
policy tTIImIi...;tw1 .......,11'1 reflect the rnnnm;t.y.
CoIUlC'. Gol...... JIIEIIti.cned cmuta1's, the vallco siq1 and the
ARa) sÍÇJ1 as areas ........ lhmtrll bsi not ........-4 with ASIC.
He said the prtòlEm is lhtnI"Ï 1 .......,11'1 tiMinR policy DDr8
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KDI7.ŒS CP '1BI!: _ ~ - 10, 1991 cr.rr (X)(ICIL .......L".uG WI'1'B
ASIIC (CC-S19A)
pr-i-\y 80 .ASIIC can follcN it. 'DIe prri'>1_ in
int-....., i ing policy is toIbeo it is not ~-, ASIIC'. jd:)
is to de1 i..-œ _ where there are g!Ip8 and
inamaistencieø in the policy.
0:lIl. RaIBle said if there is a tlL......" f_ling CI'1 ",,_n
but ASIIC is not sure, 0Juncll n ~ e:1e to be ~ ¥i c. 1bIt
is iDpartant is that anyme Wo CDIII!8 to the City with a
project hils an underBtanding of what be DUBt provide to the
city in œ:de1: to get the project ~. we ..hno,""
fi9Jre out hew to avoid hIIviD¡ matters g:J b&ck and forth
bet:\. 'e or the Oamdttee and CCJunr,.il.
a,o-. sorensen said minute ur.:b.tI would be a fom of
IY'IIII'Imiœtico bElL¡un 0Juncll and the Oamdttee. n-..onv.11
n"II''''' use this mathcd to let .ASIIC knew why they 0IIet't.um
their reo· _......4~.
0:lIl. Lim said it would help if they lmew earactly 1iby
a,o""...¡ 1 is 0YemJl.ing them.
n-..o_. ~. said that en the other bIuxi, Q:Iuncil also
- ita to understand why ASIIC votes the lollY they cb.
a,olll('. Q) 1"-n nmindad Q:Iuncil of the vote last year
regIII'ding asking caœdttee/I'hmri -1m amrs to atterd
n-..o""...¡ 1 JIIIetings.
0:lIl. Lim said ~i.....m;s saœt:imes g:J to CoIuri1 aD1
mi '"1'.J:Ite ASIIC views.
0:lIl. 1II!ber "'....,¡pD-œd vmbatim mimJt:es en "ß-led itBIII.
0:lIl. _i.. said ASIIC m ~ to knew earlier when there is
an ~1 of an .ASIIC item CI'1 a a,omMl "'-""". 0:lIl. 1II!ber
said be bad ~ to three n-..o"""'¡1 - ~ ~i'9' to bear a
~, and it .. œntinued each tJmB. (bill(', Q)1"-n
.....:r:---œd that .ASIIC let the Mayor knew when they plIIß to
atterd a n-..o""...¡ 1 1III!Iet.ÙIg.
n-..o_. ~. said that within the amstraints of
Ql'I"Ii.......... ASIIC De e:ls to have as IIIJd1 disc::ret:Jœ as
pœsible. She stated she did not ....1 i"'118 <bmcil ..hno,""
have poli";- stating very IJPE""H;c ~-, colars, etc.
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KDIPDIS (R '!HE 8Ist'_ - 10, 1991 crrr CXDCIL ........utl; W1'DI
ASN:: (crr819A)
n.1I1I!, -...... said we .......'1m't 8llY lID to pa1m L... ; t:hele
are œrtain loœtiaJs ~ tbere is lID 1'hn1œ. A policy
nrI~ øø.y that in 'P"'"'-41 palm L... Hare di~. Be
said be thinks ASIIC er.fu....- the si9l ar;rii"""""" tiqItly and
n.""'¡ 1 SCIIIBI:JJœs ..Ii - J' T1 ¡i1i1~i ....11y.
0Jair .T>.. I. - '" said sbe thinks in teDIB of po] J"'¡ - and
'1',;_H..-. 'lbere are r-o.......... given far .-......i...... (e.g.,
xerisœpe 9";-Unes 8llY a txee is water bW-i.ve).
(bI1IV!, Go1~ said be thinks the pa1m tree issue is a
mtter of style.
2. Eßíu¡". ---It of œ:ri;~
0:.. ~ says be sees lots of vioJ.¡ot-i......, particu1arly
s.. Qùy a few have been UA......ted. He eeÞtt if we are
defeating the ordinImca by oot enfarc:ing it.
Mr. Q:Mm said it is a questia1 of "",.Hing. _ are DOt
prœctive in oode eofo..~. It can taka up to 20 bcur8
of staff time to }umtt1.. one vio)~i..... It is easy to
eoJi.t"06 a h,i1,Ung axle vio1atiœ. Staff tries to avoid
liHg.H....; it took biD years to resolve the PbDto Drl"lo'lql
vio).H..... You can't pit - ...... .... in jail far a IÜ91
vioþWi.....
OUK'. Go,-" said pethrIpø we can ~ the bJ8i......s
lY'IIIOIIImity and ask them to be self-reI.Jllating.
City JofIIftA9""" Brown ...bot! bow IIIIU1Y ""-8S are œ.œøolved.
011. ~ said be can think of five or Biz, bit t:hele is
an ""'9"'; ng list.
Q:a. _i.. ay&..-1 that the 1&' o('I'ñ1T'fl far code eI'Ifw.. -·-·to
e('t'~.... œrpi.œs a lot of staff work.
Mr. ":):7- deøc:ribed the 1&' <""lime.
Mr. WIlber said there are IIDX'8 outstanding vio1atialø than
these listed by ataff.
n.,.".. lb,p£a suggested that when the siq:1 ardiMnœ is
revised pe1'hIIps enrOl:' -.-oL can be JIIIIde ---;......
0Jair .TA. I._~ talIred about the bJsiness 9";- given out by
the Q1...,¡ -e'I" of n ......., œ.
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MnI1D!S œ'ml::ilSt"_ - 10, 1991 Cl'l'f <DKIL ...........ue W1'1B
ASIIC (Œ-819A)
ClD. fhnIie said IIIIybe a tbœe ar four pIgS tvrir1et _ling
with sip am be put togI!II:ber and dist:ribJted to .._,J -eœ
by the nu..fowr.
ClD. Lim said it is fnøL....1 ~"':J .......... eppli.amts f1...-
ASiIC ........iaIs t-.n_ they IaxJIf they 1ICD't be '1[i1eld.
ClD. Webet aslœd if the fine st:ructure am be pi~.
Mr. Brown said that j\dgeø 1Q1't be as t.ouIþ as we WIlDt
them to be.
ClD. "'"'-ie said ASiIC IIU8t dell! with døt:ails, if they dCI'1't
no <me ~,1rt. By """"-., (h"""¡ 1 """".,.",.;1 that they WIlDt
ASIIC to cxmtinue to cb 80.
ca.n:. Go1"-n ""~ if thm:e 1Mr8 eny -.y (h"".i1 am help
staff ~ in"... .·-Uœ.
Mr. Brown 8UI}:JII8ted a .L......", øyøt&Btic letter that
~.. aut.....-L1cally, tben .L......" lol1V'" up witlDlt a tiJœ
lag. He œn ~1 to the rh..-..I-r to ask their .._·J-LD to
.~ up..
ClD. Lim -h(:J if after a 1'I'W~'e of letters ar ¡h.... ....11.,
the ..- of off.....:1t.... (O"II.1rt be p1hlilllø;i in the --
or t'hItrlør.
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'lhis it&D.. ft"W\8;AA. a1 cut of UL~.
em. -Ie said tbst ~li.-.t'.. "......l1y .L._.~I as DUCb as
they're 11l1-'8d. ASIIC _.dly GH'L...... &J9Is of no
"""....,¡tør tbIID 10' in hooi~, bit the orrIi......... 1111..... 20'.
Mr. 0:IIIIIm said thm:e is too DUCb discœt.icn in the
mrI.¡~.
ClD. -tø said ASIIC has beeD CDlSistent and II 1 1718d 6-8
ft. s~.
C1air ,-fA. "'- .. said ASiIC ne iø a feel far heN 0:Juncil feels
reg¡miing si91 hooiT':.
ClD. Lim IIII!IIti.oœd t1Jat the City is not retpired to CXIII8
beCw... ASiIC far s191 GKIL...nù..
0Junc. GoJ....... stated it is I'IHi'ia1lt far en"".;, not to
grant an "ß?"""'1 to +"-0& wID ~1.. sÌl;J1 hei9It ~,-
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MDI7ŒS œ 'ŒB :il5t"Jm~ 10, 1991 Cl'l'f aJH:IL r-...J.1G W1'1B
ASIC (œ-819A)
the arðt.-- ae.yø 20 ft. ASIC eOOo''''' let O'w.....n IaIcIIf 1IIby
thI!Iy feels l4.&.~y about øiq1 heit 1t. He said it is
better to CXII8ider the issue CI'1 a case by caøe buis ratbI!Ir
tbIIn to ~ to oriU""nt'A.
Mr. BI:'cM1 said before the ordinance is dvInged _ rœ.y wnt
i.JJput fIXII the rh.-.I.r of n ....-. œ ~naø a iIL~8 with
the ~ has been ~..ed upCI'1.
Q:Junc. Cn1"-n¡ ~ if aside fIXII the ~ of n····-·œ
1""ooeBB ASH:: bas a policy of ~ si9ul urà!r ten
feet.
OD. Lim øaid it "IOI]]rI malœ it ell8ier to set limite i£ the
orrIi""""'" were riuo"'9""".
OD. Weber øaid the 1"""..,.... with the Q ,..,¡...r ..",,,.. i"-'~'Y
work better i£ all bJsinessœ laøf there is a 10' limit.
01air Jactram t'l1J1norI i£ _ are talking of sicp!lge as
advertising ar i.dentificaticn.
Frank strazzarino, ~ of n ....-. \,oa, øaid the rh-.J -e~
sbIIre8 the visi.... of a beautiful QJpertino. Pecp~ need
eduœtiœ ri.c Jt at the hoog:inn;ng of the ç1iœtiœ
1""..ce&8. Be said that is WIy the rt--.J '""t" is inteœsted in
a ~còellSive nNiwe of the Bi91 or:diJ'1l'lV"R. In 1.icþ; of
the ."....era! plan review, ':1'0....:1 bculeIIard aD1 ~ 1_
O-ittee, tbøy understand '&ihy JDt is DOt a cpxi time far
that to occur. '!bey are (X)l1~~ng Dm8 inf..._tim,
"'A11ring to .._.J ~-.c8, atteDpting to ~'V"'A1:e tJ"-\'~1ves CD
bath sides of the is"- and ttying to CXIIB up with
soluticms. 'DIBy bIIve been assured of a t:......~ 1&' ..:oeas
aDd ......,11'1 bIIve ··.-"11& if that l&.~. were øbœ:tcUt. Hr.
stmzzariDo .....\AIý1y urged Dm8 talk regarding __t:i....
VB. ~.... -l.. E\Iet1'CD8 WBnts 0Jpertin0 to antinue to
be ....--......,1.
3. ~1cp standaIds
C1ai.r .'TA."'__. e-- i£ there are standards ar t:t- that
Co""'; 1 1 i- when CXJIISidering roof style, exterior
";n;ah.a, CDlors, etc.
Co...... sorensen
s-;ng treIIdy
CXXISet'VIItive.
øaid she 'oi88 ,......" ""I ned ~n... she is
tÞ;"9'Ii she is Dm8 trBditimal and
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ca.n:. Go1åœn said _ need
standards to avoid trendy
b.lsiœe- who is deue1.qrlng
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desjq1 c.nd architectural
projects and -,... Ii
1&'-""'" l.)" bas a ri.c Jt to
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MDÐmS œ 'BIB ~~~, 10, 1991 CITr OXH:IL 1'IIIoIIi&.&aG wr.œ
ASIIC (CC-S19A)
UDdBrBtaDd what the city ~. BIIvi.ng qp--If'iC .....ic;:r
øt:.andaIdø .....'ld prcbIbly 8harten the 1&' -eN" rather than
1eogthm it. De8i9'l st...........'ds need not be a on_....ot .......
the mole city is a JJa]Ollth¡ øect:ianø of the City ....M
have different .......~.
O:JI--. ~..}on said he favors desÏ91 9,;..1 ines. '!he prrhI.
is 8"0 ....<t. for the Vallco 1"RC.:Jf......, style bas been
establ ; At-f.
0:JI1I'V". ~. said IIhe prefers diversity. Desi91
9';"lines ml1ld be very stifliDc¡. She said she H_
8~;"'J different ardú.tec::ture and L.. and bas a prrhl_
with ASIIC çpin;J by <Dmci1'8 f_H"9' Wià1 ...tumgta wbm
.._.J "".8 cbanga. '!hey should look at what is 1& 8_.d.ed and
detemine if it 1IICrics.
MII)'ar Yqptl said (,hUT...i 1 .._oJ _a need to be visi.c:DsriM¡
1ir.......... bas to have indiviåJal £-H"'J. 'lbere is not a lot
WIll am å:I -,- of }",; 1~ -.. _.... at vallco. She said
she _ sorry 9,i"lineø hadn't bêen established earlier
-,- there is no flew.
a.úr .TAI'oIr~ said ASIIC -:!œ to IaIcw wbat is iDpJrtaot to
0-.""'; 1 when looking at a¡:pHn.H.......
O:JI""". Q,lttnom said if a ,w.;AÌCI1 1II!!œ JIIIIde to -V- "'ic;:r
9,;..H.-, overall City repœ8EDtati.cn .....,11'1 be - ""1 to
set them up, not just (:'n""'; 1 .
a.úr .~ 1.._.. aslœd if Iþo..""" is our ally dvoll~1 is
0-.""'; 1 8"-;"'J saaet:bi.ng there S;nrll_ to Vallco ........ir.n
Park?
Mr. CCMm said the PIAm1i"'J n--iq;r.n is also CDlSidI!IriJIg
t-_i... .....ic;:r standaJ:ds in certain areas of the City.
t)oII4J~c;:r st.-.....· db in IbJta Vista have ......ká1 out wall. '!he
city IIpSJt tw yeørs1llDrking with busi- øes and reøiÑntS
co t-Jo. Be øt:.andaIdø. plAm1;"'J n--i_;r.n 1IIIU1ts to -v..vt
the 0 . - - ""* of a _jar tbeIIIe for œrtain areas. In
ref..ua...... to }",i ltioot, Mr. CCMm stilted that _jar
redev-1-'l-·-.L œn ~.
Ckm. weber said he bas anoems with lcu.'JCL 00uses whether
CI'1 hillsides ar flat lots.
Ckm. Lim suggested an ilY·... .-1 floor area ratio for
difí..U2íL size lots.
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MDÐDIB r. 'DB __ . 10, 1991 CITf c:oKIL _....uG W1'1B
ASIC (~19A)
Hr. '00' DIll 8Bid th8nI is a lack of hA. - . 'f t- I of 8CIIII8
large bcuøu in "'1'.th- ,. I. «Iø that had -11""fl' ar-IgJ"'" 1
bot18 u.
By .... -.., ASIC L·_·J-LD GI, Io~ tbat their ...--..u. hIIId
bem di...,1J ett at this meet.iDg.
C2Jair ''-~-.I 8Bid sbe ClJNLv"';"" staff aDd """'~1
.._..loA... tÚIIt in ~""'9 ~..... and .....~.øiDg iI9"'.
Qu. Lila .....,,---œd lID ASIIC !111m! be giwa far g:xx1
architectural ~. II. -·Z with 8Urroll"""~.
5. other
'1hBre ""h~ DO further þ 8i.....Ø, the meet.iDg 11118 adjourlBS
at 8:40 p...
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Dep1t.y City Clerk
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