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July 08, 1970.® CITY OF CUPERTINO, State of California 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino, California 95014 Phone: 252-4505 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL COMMITTEE HELD JULY 8, 1970 IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF THE CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA Prior to the convening of the meeting Chief Building Inspector Benevich advised the committee members that the applications would be presented in a different manner than heretofore used. Applicants are now being required to submit colored slides of their presentations whenever pos- sible and these are to be displayed on the screen rather than given to the committee in uncolored sketches. Detailed drawings and renderings still would be used, if needed for display presentati_ons,and would be used regardless for the placing of the official approval stamp. He asked for comments on this at the conclusion of the meeting. The meeting was called to order_ by Chairman Adams at 8 P.M., who led the salute to the flag. Rnll fall Members present: McLaren, Marquez, Ryner, Small, Chairman Adams. Also present: Chief Building Inspector Benevich, City Clerk -Finance Director Ryder. Communications There were no written communications. Mr. Leonard Gessensway addressed the committee, requesting their approv- al to consider an application not on the agenda. He explained that the project for the Lake Biltmore Apartments at Blaney and Rodriguez Avenues had been under considerable delay in the past months. The pro- posed development, however, had been approved at the recent Council meeting so far as a Tentative Map and Use Permit were concerned. He requested permission to present an application relative to this at this meeting. It was moved by Member Small, seconded by Member Ryner and passed unani- mously with Member McLaren abstaining to consider this application at the end of the agenda. Member McLaren requested and received concurrence to abstain from all discussions and voting on this application. Minutes of Previous Meet It was moved by Member Ryner, seconded by Member McLaren and passed unanimously that the minutes of June 10, 1970 be approved as submitted. call to order roll call request to present ap- plication not on agenda )revious iiilutes page 2 i Minutes of H Control July 8, 1970 Applications A. Application 431-HC-69, BlazellPlastics, Inc., 37345 Blacow Road, Fremont, requesting approval to erect an 8' x 20' building sign and a 7'-6" x 15'-10" pole Application sign for Skaggs Payless Drugl'Store located at 20850 431-HC-69 Homestead Road. Mr. Edward Allen, 311 El Cerrito Avenue, Piedmont presented the appli- cation. The 8' x 20' building sign isto have a plastic face and conforms to the requirements of a + " " q the sin ordinance. The 7 6 k 15 10 pole sign will be p g on the Homestead Road frontage. presentation i IIn answer to Member Small's question, i't was determined that the P.W. Supermarket might also ask for a ground sign and they would qualify for one under the length of the frontage. I Chairman Adams advised that the committee would consider this as two considered separate signs, sign (a) being the one in the building and sign (b) as 2 signs being the pole sign. Mr. Allen continued by saying the plastic fascia sign would be below the roof line, internally luminated andllwould have all supports con- sign (a) cealed. It would be considerablysmaller than what at is required as a I company standard due to the City requirements. Even though the colored slide might so make it appear, none of the letters would be above the parapet. Sign (b) would be a double-faced sign, tlaving the same copy on both sides and would be mounted on two polesl This would have indirect sign (b) lighting, using black letters outlined in red. It would face at a 90' angle to Homestead Road to make it visible for east -west traffic. This sign also, both in height and area; is considerably smaller than company standards. 431-HC-69 I It was moved by Member McLaren, seconded by Member Marquez and passed rec. for unanimously that Application 431-HC-69 lie recommended to the City lCouncil approval for approval per the plot plan and renderings submitted with ]the specification that sign (a) be designated as the building sign and sign (b) be designated as the pole sign ';and subject to the standard .,conditions of the Architectural and Sitall Approval Committee. Chairman Adams advised the applicant thins would be before the City lCouncil at its meeting of July 20, 1970 and advised that a representa- tive be present. B. Application 437-HC-70, FederaliSigns, 1521 Terminal Application Avenue, San Jose, requesting a blanket approval of all the 437_HC-70 shop signs at the Crossroads O nter and an additional building sign for Mervyn's Store on the east side of the building. presentation Mr. Gene"Barber, 915 Fern Grove, San Jose, presented the application, stating that the request was for a program to standardize the signs to HC-11 • E 0 C� Minutes of H. Control July 8, 1970 Application 437-HC-70 Cont'd. ® be installed in the Crossroads Center shopping center. He explained that the owner desired to have control of sign sizes to introduce uni- formity among all of the stores in the center. This applies to signs but not to design or coloring. The only deviationsfrom this standardi- zation would be those signs already approved for Mervyn's Department Store and the one for Atwood Imports which, because of its larger size in store frontage, would be entitled to a larger than usual identifi- cation sign. All signs would be hung under the fascia of the building and would be 3' x 16' except for the Atwood Imports which would be 5' x 30'. He said the normal store area would be 40' frontage with a 90' depth except for Atwood Imports which would be 80' frontage and 130' depth. He pointed out that the total square footage in signs requested a 630 versus the 930 square feet which otherwise would be possible under the provisions of the sign ordinance. Chairman Adams advised the committee that this should be considered in two phases, one the request for a blanket approval for standard faced signs and the other being the additional building sign for Mervyn's Department Store. It was pointed out that there was a difference between the colored slide which was being shown and the plans which had been submitted. The applicant said the plans prevailed and the Chairman. requested that this be noted in the minutes of the proceedings. In answer to the several questions posed by committee members; the applicant said that all of the signs would be internally illuminated and would have a uniform lighting style. The sign cabinet would be the same for each and would have no unsightly openings. The light in- tensity for each would be the same. The reason for the larger size for Atwood Imports was due to the larger square footage of the store and the fact that the slope of the ground at this one point made it appear logical to have the larger size sign. Member Small then asked if any of the individual stores in the center would be required to have a smaller size sign if they were applying as a separate application. The answer to this was "yes" and it was indicated that four such stores would be eligible for signs of square footage of 33.6 to 43.2 square feet. There then followed considerable discussions among the members of the. committee as to the -propriety of granting a larger size sign for any one store than is permitted under the sign ordinance versus the desira- bility of standardizing all such signs in one size. Chairman Adams expressed his opinion that it was the consensus of the committee that it was not ready to accept the presentation of any size sign which did not conform to the requirements of the sign ordinance regardless of the merits of the proposal. He suggested that the appl- cant agree to a continuance of this application and consider the pos- sibility of using the standard height but varying the length so as to allow each store to fall within the requirements of the ordinance. HC-11 page 3 consider in two phases plans prevail >uggest appli- .ation be .ontinued page 4 437=HC-70 continued Application 4'3 R --h C:-• 6 9 presentation. 438-41C 69 concinuea i Minutes of H Control July 8, 1970 III Application 437-HC-70 Cont'd. I I The applicant thought this was a'goodlidea. He said he would resub- mit the presentation and come in on an individual store basis. I Chief Building Inspector Benevich explained to the committee that there was a fee consideration here and it would be best if the committee determined at this time that a simultaneous submission of signs on an individual basis was to be considered Iia continuance of this one appli- cation so that new filing fees would not be required. Chairman Adams so ordered. It was moved by Member Marquez, seconded by Member McLaren and passed unanimously that Application 437-HC-701be continued to the next meet- ing. I C. Application 438-HC-69, Sambol's Restaurant, 3760 State Street, Santa Barbara, requesting approval to erect three building signs (126+ sq, ft. total) at Sambo's Restaurant, located at 10385iS. Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road. (Chief Building Inspector Benevich stated he had received a telephone call that afternoon from Oregon, in which the applicant advised he would be unable to be present. Mr. Benevich said if the committee so ;desired he would present the matter toithem, which offer was accepted. Mr. Benevich showed colored slides of the proposed signs, pointing out (that the sign facing east would be placed upright on the edge of the roof line and the one facing north would be on the rock face of the building. In answer to Member Ryner's�question, he said he had no (knowledge of how the signs were to be lighted. He advised Member �McLaren that the building qualifies £oria ground sign but the appli- cant had decided to use all his square 'footage allowable on building signs. i It was further explained that this proposed development had a Tentative Map for three parcels with this particular building being on Parcel C jwhich occupies the entire frontage on the Saratoga -Sunnyvale highway. (There was a strong possibility that a shopping center would be con- structed on Parcels A and B and undoubtedly a request would be made 1for a shopping center sign. If so, this meant it would be installed Ion Parcel C, the one under cornsideratioTi, which would be an off -site parcel. i Chairman Adams said that the plans indicated internal illumination of - this sign and Member Ryner objected to the visible bracing on the sign facing east. I I Member Ryner moved that this matter be continued until such time as the applicant was present to answer questions. The motion was seconded by (Member Marquez and passed unanimously. HC-11 E. 0 40 0 0 E 0 Minutes of H Control July 8, 1970 Applications Cont'd. D. Application 471-HC-70, Jerome J. White & Associates, requesting architectural approval to construct a 155- unit garden apartment complex at Blaney and Rodriguez Avenues. Mr. Dan Donovan, attorney for the applicant, reviewed the history of the efforts to develop this particular parcel and said that the present application had received approval from the Planning Commission and the City Council. It would be a 155-unit garden apartment on 11.3 acres, consisting of eighteen clusters of buildings. Ponds and creeks would be the main feature of this development with the water area be- ing slightly less than the 16" depth permitted. All apartment build- ings would back up to these water areas and would have overhanging decks. The exteriors would be either cedar or redwood, the roof would be composed of shakes and there would be lush landscaping. The land- scaping, however, was not a part of this particular application. He pointed out the site location of the buildings was such that it pro- vided maximum view of the open space area from Blaney Avenue. There would be a circulation system for the water.. Member Ryner asked in that he understood no children under fourteen would be living in this complex, what provision was being made to keep non-resident youngsters out and thought this eater area would be an attractive nuisance and was concerned about the liability. Mr. Leonard Gessensway said that there would be sufficient shrubs and landscaping to prevent ready access in most areas and for those areas not so private there would be a wrought iron fence. Chairman Adams reiterated Mr. Benevich's comment, saying that fences were not needed for water depths of less than 16". Mr. Gessensway said that many of these areas would be but 6" creeks. Member Ryner said that if the fence had to be installed, how would this affect theaesthetics of the development. It was explained that this had worked out very satisfactorily in other several similar de- velopments throughout the State and Mr. Gessensway assured the committee no fear need be expressed along these lines. Member Ryner was told that the trash and garbage pickup would be through the facilities of a 1-1/2 yard container placed in enclosed areas near the parking areas. There would be no roof appurtenances other than normal conventional vents for water heaters, etc. The apartments would have no air conditioning units or fireplaces. Member Marquez was advised that access for fire control would be accord- ing to whatever requirements were imposed by the Fire Marshal or the City. If any of these requirements resulted in substantial change, the application would come back before the committee. The traffic flow would be by two accesses to Rodriguez Avenue plus an egress on a north - south one way street to Stevens Creek Boulevard. There would be no HC-11 page 5 Application 471-HC-70 presentation discussion page 6 471-IIC-70 rec. for approval subject to conditions report requested median strips landscaping ?won' s Pastrami i �i ri Minutes of H Control July 8, 1970 i � IIC-11 pi Application 471-HC-70 Cont'd. • outlet on BlaneyAvenue. Guest parking was at a 2.3 to 1 ratio and . had forty-eight more spaces than .required. The main entrance would be off Rodriguez Avenue but an identification sign would be placed off 1 Blaney Avenue. It was moved by Member Small and seconded by Member Ryner that Appli- cation 471-HC-70 be approved subject L .the 12 Standard Conditions of the Architectural and Site Approval Committee plus Condition 13 that all trash collection areas be enclosed, Condition'14 that landscaping, signs and lighting plans would be submitted and approved prior to the issuance of any building permit and Condition 15 that any major change ,from that which had been presented in his application come back before the committee for approval. The motioi was passed unanimously with Member McLaren abstaining. r Chairman Adams advised the applicant that this would be before the City Council at its meeting of July 26,,1' 1970 and requested his appear- ance at that time. I, Unfinished Business 1, Member McLaren asked if N�r. Benevich had his report on those applications which were to have been reviewed for conformance to • H Control approval requirements. He said that he and his staff now were working on this check list and would have the report,for the next meeting. 2. Member McLaren raised the,question of landscaping or the lack thereof on the median strips on Stevens Creek Boulevard and read from a recent newspaper article on the'unsightliness of the painted concrete -filled median strip. Mr. Ryder said that he would like to comment on this. His recent ap- • pointment as Acting City Manager also made him an ex officio member of this committee. He explained that conversations with Mayor Stokes had been held recently during which this sa$e question had been raised. He assured the committee that as soon a11 it was administratively feasi- ble, corrective action would be taken iit this regard. 3. Member Ryner raised the auestion of improper lighting and landscaping for the �Jon's Pastrami sandx'7Ii.ch establishment on Stevens Creek Boulevard. He said this matter hI'd I been placed in the committee's minutes wherein the City Council was requested to take appropriate action or give some directions for the taking of corrective action. He felt that the Council was not responsive to this manner of receiving such information. Mr. Benevich said that just recently the owner had again been in his office and again was told that steps nee ed to be taken to correct the situation. He thought the owner would b� befor.e the II Control commit- tee in the near future on another maLter''iand he felt this would be worked out. Minutes of H Control July 8, 1970 9 Unfinished Business Cont'd. Mr. Ryder advised the committee that he and Mr. Benevich were working on a proposal to submit to the committee at its next meeting which would revise procedures and make for better liaison with the City Council and the administrative staff. 4. Member Ryner said that another concern of the committee had,been the Burger Chef and its landscaping. He thought that they had done a very good job in this matter when so requested but they had not yet complied with the requirement for enclosed areas for their trash receptacles. He asked that this be again brought to their attention. New Business 1. Member McLaren commented that the Mr. Steak establish- ment on Saratoga -Sunnyvale Road had an attractive lawn in front origi- nally. This now was unsightly and should be brought to their attention. 2. Mr. Benevich requested that the committee give considera- tion to changing the days for the holding of their meetings. The meet- ing schedule at present called for these to be held on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month. As a first phase of a reorganization program of procedures, it would be extremely helpful to have more time between the committee meeting and the meeting of the City Council. Pursuant to his request, it was moved by Member Small and seconded by Member Ryner that the Architectural and Site Approval Committee hold its regularly scheduled meetings on the Wednesday following the first and third Mondays of each month. The motion was approved unanimously. 3. Mr. Ryder presented a brief outline to the committee of what the formal presentation would be in so far as committee procedures were concerned. The general areas in addition to the change of meet- ing dates would be the use of formal resolutions to reflect committee actions, similar to the process currently used by the Planning Commis- sion; the mailing of agendas and supporting detail to each committee member prior to the meeting to provide adequate advance knowledge of what would be discussed; the procedure for submitting special reports to the City Council or the City Manager; and the manner in which ren- derings, displays and maps would be given to the committee. It was the consensus of the committee that the use of colored slides for the presentation of graphic materials was a big improvement over the method previously employed. Mr. Benevich was commended for his efforts in this regard. Adjournment It was moved by Member Small, seconded by Member McLaren and so ordered by Chairman Adams that the meeting be adjourned at 10:21 P.M. Submitted for a l: City Clerk)/ HC-11 page 7 Burger Chef Mr. Steak change of meeting days committee procedures changes Mr. Benevich commended