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CITY OF CUPERTINO, State of California
10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino
Telephone; 252-4505
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE
APPROVAL COMMITTEE ON MAY 5, 1971 IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER
CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA
Vice -Chairman McLaren opened the meeting at 7:35 P.M. with the
Salute to the Flag.
ROLL CALL
Committee Members present: Adams, Gatto, Marquez, McLaren, Ryner
Committee Members absent: None
Staff present: City Clerk Ryder
Director of Public Works Yarborough
Recording Secretary Lois Inwards
OATH OF OFFICE FOR NEW MEMBERS
The City Clerk administered the Oath of Office for reinstated
Member Adams and new Member Gatto.
Vice -Chairman McLaren congratulated the new Members. She also
stated that recognition should be given former Member Small for
the years of service he has given to the City of Cupertino.
ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN
Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to nominate
Member Ryner to the Office of Chairman of the Architectural and
Site Approval Committee for the forthcoming year.
AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Marquez, McLaren
NOES: None
ABSTAINED: Member Ryner
Motion carried, 4-0-1
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Moved by Member Marquez, seconded by Member Gatto to nominate
Member Adams to the Office of Vice -Chairman for the forthcoming year.
AYES: Members Gatto, Marquez, McLaren, Ryner
NOES: None
ABSTAINED: Member Adams
Motion carried; 4--0-1
The new Officers took their chairs., Chairman Ryner said the reason
he was silent on the nomination of Vice Chairman is that he did not
think he should choose his Vice Chairman. He commented that the
Committee Members all work well together, even though they might'not
always agree.
MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING
1. Approval of Architectural and Site Approval Minutes of
April 21, 1971.
Member Adams called attention to an error in the first paragraph on
page 7 wherein Councilman Green was mistakenly called Planning
Commissioner Green.
Moved by Member McLaren, seconded by Member Adams to approve the
Minutes of April 21, 1971, as corrected.
AYES: Members Adams, McLaren, Ryner
NOES: None
ABSTAINED: Members Gatto, Marquez
Motion carried, 3-0-2 . 0
C0141MICATIONS
WRITTEN
The Director of Public Works introduced his memo on City Council Actions
Pertaining -to H-Control. It was decided to bring this up under
UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
ORAL
There were none.
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Minutes of the Architectural & Site Approval Committee,,May 5
® PUBLIC HEARINGS
4. Application HC--51,015.10 -- Federal Signs, .1521 Terminal.,
San Jose, Ca. 95103, requesting approval of sign for
Trend 0' Fashion, located in the Crossroads Shopping Center
(Loc. Map, Ex. 1.)
Since the applicant was not yet present, it was moved by Member
McLaren, seconded by Member Adams to put application 14C-51,015.10
at the end of the Public Hearings.
Motion carried, 5-0
5. Application HC-51,260 - Cupertino Sport Shop, 20314 Stevens
Creek Boulevard, requesting approval of sign for shop
located in the former Cupertino Courier Office.
(Loc. Map, Ex. 2)
Mr. Albert A. Silva, 20314 Stevens Creek Boulevard, Cupertino,
said he was the applicant.
The Director of Public Works showed colored slides of the existing
store front and the renderings presented by the applicant along
with his application. The applicant has requested permission to
erect an internally illuminated double-faced projecting sign
perpendicular to the building in addition to the existing painted
wall sign which is above the canopy on the face of the building.
The wall sign has not previously been reviewed by the Committee.
The applicant was cited by the Building Department. The total
sign area and placement of the signs are within the limitations
of the Sign Ordinance.
Member Marquez asked about the materials used on the present sign.
He was told that it was a painted wooden sign.
.Member Adams asked if a Use Permit was required when the applicant
made arrangements to have the sport shop and if so, what provi-
sions are made to inform an applicant about the Sign Ordinance
and the need for Architectural and Site Approval. He was told
that this is a commercial use in a commercial building; therefore
no Use Permit is required. Mr. Silva said that at the time he
painted the wall sign he was not aware that a sign of this type
would need to be reviewed by the Committee; only electrical signs,
Member McLaren noted that since both signs are within the purview
of the Sign Ordinance, what happens when other lessees in that
center decide they, too, would like to put up perpendicular signs.
It was noted that there are already some similar signs at that
shopping center. The applicant's plan is to erect his perpendi-
cular sign at the same height as that of Valley Bookkeeping per-
pendicular sign; lower than the one on the meat market.
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HC-51.015.10
moved to end
of Public
Hearings
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Public
Hearings
closed
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Chairman Ryner questioned whether the applicant will actually get any
advertising value from the proposed sign, so close to the others.
Mr. Silva said there is poor lighting at that center, and he is open
nights.
The Director of Public Works said, according to the Sign Ordinance,
3% of the store area can be used for signs. This building is
4780 square feet.
Member McLaren felt the painted sign was not in keeping with the
other shops in that center -- the colors stood 'out too muth."-There
was some discussion about repainting the sign, using more -subdued
colors.
Chairman Ryner asked the Director of Public Works if it is *ithin
the Sign Ordinance to have a sign perpendicular on top of the roof
that way. The Director said the Sign Ordinance does.not prevent it.
Chairman Ryner asked for comments from the audience. There were
none.
Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Marquez to close the
Public Hearings.
Motion carried, 5-0
Member Adams asked the applicant if he would be amenable to changing
the white backdrop on the fascia of the building. Applicant agreed
to do this. However, he added that -the paint on the rest of the
building is in very poor condition. If anything, he would like to.
talk to his landlord and the other lessees to see if they will agree
to dress up the entire building. The Cali Brothers are the owners
of the building.
The Director of Public Works said, in view of the fact that the
Ordinance does not specify, the Committee might want to suggest a
wall -type, illuminated sign. Chairman Ryner suggested reviewing the
present sign at this meeting and have the applicant come back at a
later date with the other sign.
Member Adams suggested the applicant look at more up-to-date signs
in the area for ideas on his other sign. Chairman Ryner said perhaps
all the tenants could get together, since this is a very important
area in the City'of Cupertino, and update all the signs on it.' It
was brought out by the applicant that he only has a two-year lease
and he doubts that any of the lessees iaould be willing to spend much
money on it at this point. Member Adams said he could appreciate
the applicant's point of view. He then asked the applicant if he
would be willing to leave the present painted sign up with the
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® thought that at some future time he could present a fascia sign
rather than an overhanging sign to the Committee for approval.
The applicant concurred, but stated that he has already purchased
the illuminated sign, subject to approval of the City. It was his
mistaken understanding that he only needed City approval for il-
luminated signs. He said he was negligent in not looking into the
matter more thoroughly.
Moved by Member Adams to recommend to the City Council a portion of
application HC--51,260 -- Cupertino Sport Shop signs as follows:
That the Cupertino Sport Shop painted sign on the front of the
building be permitted to remain for a period of six months, during .
which time theapplicant, if he so wishes, may return to this
Committee and propose a modified illuminated, fascia -type sign
not perpendicular to the building; also, that at the end of the six
months period this application must be again reviewed by the City
for its approval. Motion died for lack of a Second.
Member Marquez said he would be in favor of three, not six months.
Member Gatto said it appeared the illuminated sign was intended
for night use. He would be strongly opposed to any roof sign. He
felt the painted sign, under the circumstances, would be OK.
When questioned, Mr. Silva said the proposed sign would have two
150 watt lights directed toward the sign for night illumination.
The electrical work was already up on the roof when he leased the
building. He asked if he could just leave it as is, with just
flood lights. Member Adams asked the Director of Public.Works if
the sockets are already there, would the Committee have any control
over them. The Director of. Public Works said this would come under
the jurisdiction of the Building Department, and he would have to
check it out.
Member Marquez said he did not
modified, perhaps. He felt it
was inclined to go along with
taste.
like the present painted sign --
stuck out like a sore thumb. He
n illuminated sign, done in g- -'
Member McLaren agreed that the white on the painted sign was
stark; but to try to blend in with the other, older signs in
center would be a big mess. And a point to be considered is
the property is up for sale.
Member Gatto asked if there is a maximum of illumination on
lit signs of this type. Director Yarborough said brilliance
referred to in the Sign Ordinance, but you can specify the s
the bulb and the goad taste of the sign. It is tip to the ju
of the Committee as to degree of illumination,
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Motion died
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HC-51,260
approved as
amended
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Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member McLaren to approve.part of
application HC--,51,260, amended as such to include only the existing
sign, a maximum of150 watts of lighting, using existing electrical
outlets..
AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, McLaren, Chairman Ryner
NOES: Member Marques
Motion -carried, 4-1
The applicant was informed that his application would come before the
City Council on Monday, May 17, 1971.
6. Application HC-51,259.1 - Imperial Construction Company, 180 East
Sunnyoaks Avenue, Campbell, Ca. 95008, requesting approval of
site, architecture and sign for Figure Salon to be located in the
Portal Plaza Shopping_ Center.
(Loc. Map, Ex. 3)
Ir. Roger Christianson, 180 East Sunnyoak, Building 3, Campbell, said
ie represented the applicant.
he Director of Public Works showed colored slides of the subject
nd adjacent property. The landlord decided he wanted to keep all
he glass on the front of the building rather than let the individuals
hange the fronts of their stores.
The applicant said the Tiffany Billiards sign will come down and the
proposed sign will be lower. Dimensions of the sign are 3' x 18'.
There are 20 feet between the big beams, and the sign will fit down
between the beams. The internally -illuminated sign is one foot higher
than the beams, and will sit on the canopy support.
The Director of Public Works asked the Committee if they wished to set
the scheme for any future signs for this shopping center. Member
Adams asked on what position of the overhang this sign would set. He
was told it would be one to one and one-half feet forward from the
parapet.
Kember Adams asked for more detail of the proposed sign.. The applicant
said the silhouette figure would be black, the words "PRINCESS SALON"
would be red, and the background would be white. Member Gatto asked
the applicant if he would consider setting the sign down and bracketing
it off the beams. The applicant said if the sign is lowered you would
not be able to see a portion of it over the wide canopy.
airman Ryner asked for comments from the audience. There were none.
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Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member.McLaren.to.close the
Public Hearings.
Motion carried, 5-0
Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Marques to recommend to
the City Council application HC-51,259.1 for the Figure.Salon sign;i
that portion of the application to be subject.to the following
conditions: The 3' x 18' illuminated sign as presented per the
plan shown, to be located on the canopy between the heavy beams,
not to exceed 1' in height above those subject beams on the store
front; and subject to the standard conditions -of H-Control and the
plans submitted.
AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Marques, McLaren, Ryner
NOES: None
Motion carried, 5-0
4. HC-51,015.10
Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member McLaren to continue
application HC-51,015,10 to the next regular meeting since the
applicant was not present.
AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, McLaren, Ryner
NOES: Member Marques
Motion carried, 4-1
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
7. Report from Mr. Yarborough regarding condition attached by
City Council to approval of Appl. HC-51,249.1, Federal Signs,
for neon tubing window sign for Bessie's Delight.
The Director of Public Works referred to the City Clerk's memo
regarding "Bessie's Delight". He said he had nothing further to
add.
8. Review of inquiries and requests directed to City staff
relative to reported violations of H-Control regulations.
Mr. George Ahamnos is still very ill and, on the advise of his
doctor, was not able to appear before this body on this date. His
wife called to confirm this. He does intend to remove the illegal
structure.
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Public
Hearings
closed
HC-51,259.1
approved with
conditions
HC-51, 01.5 .10
continued
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Moved by Member McLaren,'seconded by Member Adams to -recommend
extension of Mr. George Ahamnos' case for a period of two weeks.
Ahamnos
AYES: Members Adams, Marques, McLaren, Chairman Ryner
case
NOES: None
postponed
ABSTAINED: Member Gatto
Motion carried, 4-0-1
The staff was instructed to notify Mr. Ahamnos of this decision.
9. Status Report of H-Control Applications
The Director of Public Works distributed copies of his Status of
H-Control Applications Report from November 2, 1970 to April 7, 1971.
10. Underground Committee Actions Report
The Director of Public Works said there will probably be a meeting
next month and will keep the Committee informed.
MMember Adams said he attended the Underground Utilit- meeting in
mid -April. as Chairman of the Architectural and Site Approval Committee.
Member Adams
Chairman Ryner said, if there were no objections, he would like to
to represent
have Member Adams continue to attend these meetings. All Members
Committee at
concurred. 'Member Adams said this is a meeting that is required to
Underground
meet during the day, and in the event a conflict should occur he will
Utilities
snotify Chairman Ryner.
meetings.
Ill. Change in H-Control.Regulations Relative to Transfer of Approval
of Change of Use
The Director of Public Works said the City Attorney prefers to have a
document regulating the City. Ordinances are enacted and become public
jdocuments. Resolutions are changes to rules. There are two approaches:
!Change the framework and keep it essentially as it is with ordinances
rather than resolutions, or write a new ordinance that would be similar;
would allow latitudes. The Director recommended the last approach.
Chairman Ryner asked if any action was required of the Committee at
this time. The Director said he would like time for the staff .to work
out a set of alternatives for review-by,the Committee.
Minutes of the Architectural & Site.Approval Committee, May 5, 1971I
12. Change in Architectural and Site Approval Committee
Instructions
Chairman Ryner advised the Committee Members to write down anything
about the instruction sheet that bothers them so that it may be.
discussed. I
There followed a discussion of the results of the last City Council
meeting. Mr. Meu's proposal for camoflaging the roof.apurtenances
was not approved by the City Council_. They took extreme exception !,
to this application and returned it to the H-Control. The City
Council suggested the tower could be removed from the roof and
placed on the ground. Member Adams felt it may be worth while to
refer this to the City Attorney,'who can check previous decisions
on similar cases and find out what legal grounds the Committee has
® for making demands on applicants; any previous cases in court
regarding approval on a building where applicant states the
apurtenances will not go above the parapet and when the building
is built the apurtenances appear on the roof.
NEW BUSINESS
The Director of Public Works said applications are reviewed by the
staff for completeness and accuracy and some advice is given. In
most cases, the applicant takes the advice. The staff tries to
steer the applicants in the right direction, based on previous
action by the H-Control, Planning Commission and City Council.
The staff leaves the quality and conditions almost wholly up to the
H-Control. They don't want to conflict with the H-Control. The
feeling of the staff is that they should not get involved in
prejudging the applications. The Committee should not expect
derogatory remarks in the staff reports.
The Del Oro application was returned by the City Council to the
H--Control Committee. The staff was concerned with the presenta-
tion but the applicant was adamant. The Director of Public Works
discussed alternatives: Possibly the elimination of the strip of
driveway around the building so there would be more room for .
landscaping, etc.
It was suggested that the staff be more candid in their review of
applications, as a guide for the Committee. Chairman Ryner said
he would have no objections to the Director's making statements
about the applications at the meeting if the Committee is missing
something. Member Adams agreed with the Chairman, to urge the
Director to make additional verbal comments during the hearings.
The Director assured the Committee that they have the authority to
require modifications on presentations. Member Adams commented
that the 35mm slides tielp avoid mistakes. Across -the -street views
would also be helpful.
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PW Market
.referred to
City Attorney
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Update
agenda
cover sheet
Member Small
recognition
I Address list
Phones
Minutes'of the Architectural & Site Approval.Committee, May 5, 1971
Chairman Ryner requested a Minute Order to in the staff to
change the cover sheet to reflect the changes in the seating arrange-
ment of the Committee.
MINUTE ORDER
Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member McLaren to instruct the
staff to update the cover sheet.of the agenda.
Motion carried, 5-0
Chairman Ryner requested a Minute Order to recommend appropriate
recognition be given to former Committee Member Jim Small.
MINUTE ORDER
Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member McLaren to recommend ap-
propriate recognition be given former Committee Member Small.
Motion carried, 5-0
Member Adams requested an updated address list, to include home and
office phone numbers, as well'as an emergency phone number at City
:gall to call. Director Yarborough said someone carp always be
reached through the Water Department number or the Sheriff's Office.
He said that we are going to get an automatic secretary to take
recorded messages. He was also requested to see about getting the
Chamber phone hooked up to a night line.
ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Member McLaren, seconded by Member Adams to adjourn the
meeting at 9:20 P.M.
(ATTEST:
I/s/ 6dm. E. Ryder
City Clerk
Motion carried, 5-0
APPROVED:
/s/ V.J. Adams, Jr.
Chairman
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