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November 03, 1971CITY OF CUPERTINO, State of California 10300 Torre Avenue, Cupertino Telephone: 252--4505 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE APPROVAL COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 3, 1971, IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER CITY HALL, CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA SALUTE TO THE FLAG Chairman Ryner opened the meeting at 7:30 PM with the Salute to t Flag. ROLL CALL Members present: Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner Member absent: McLaren Chairman Ryner explained that Member McLaren was in San Francisco on business, and was unable to attend this meeting. Staff present: Director of Planning and Development Jim Sisk Planning Technician Mike Sheppard Recording Secretary Lois Inwards MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING 1. Approval of Architectural and Site Approval Committee Minutes of October 20, 1971. I Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Adams to approve the Minutes of October 20, 1971, as written. Motion carried. 4-0 WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS i 2. None requested. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS 3. None requested. • [C-43 'age 1 Oct. 20th Minute approved HC-43 Page 2 Use Permit has been granted Colors of sign reviewed Public Hearing closed Plan shows improvement HC-51,068.1 (Moby Dick) approved w/conditions MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3, 1971 H-COliTROL MEETING PUBLIC HEARINGS 4. Application HC-51,068.1 - Richard E. LeBaudour requesting approval of Moby Dick sign plan, 20041 Bollinger. Road, All American Shop- ping Center. (Loc. Map, Ex. 1) The Planning Director recapped the previous hearing on this appli- cation. He said this applicant has received a Use Permit for this use. Colored slides of the shoppingrcenter and drawings of the original and revised fascia sign and1 the sign to go within the columns of the shopping center sign were displayed on the screen. Member Adams reviewed the colors of;the proposed signs: white on black and blue on white, with the same red border as previously proposed. It was noted the colors are very similar to those on the shoe repair shop next door. Chairman Ryner asked for comments from the audience. There were none. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to close the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 4-0 Member Gatto commented that the revised plan showed significant improvement over the original. Moved by :Member Gatto, seconded by Member Adams to recommend to the City Council approval of application HC-51,068.1 - Richard LeBaudour for Moby Dick sign plan, subject to the standard conditions of H-Control and subject to'Exhibit A, First Revision. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: None ABSENT: Member McLaren Motion carried, 4--0 0 0 0 • MINUTES OF THE NOVEIMBER 3, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING • 5. Application H.C--51,014.1 -- California Girl Boutique (Ad Art Sign Co.) requesting'approval of sign plan, 20432 Silverado. (Loc. Map, Ex. 2) Mr. Vernon Burgess, 1607 Terminal Avenue, San Jose, the applicant, was present to discuss the proposal. The Planning Director showed photographs of the shopping center and of the present wood sign as well as a drawing of the proposed sign, an internally lighted plexiglas sign in metal can. Member Sargent asked how it was going to be attached. Mr. Burgess said it should be attached to the roof rather than to the fascia. It will be in line with the other signs in the shopping center. Colors are: coral, dark violet and white. ® Chairman Ryner asked for comments from the audience. There were none. Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Adams to close the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 4-0 Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Sargent to recommend to the City Council approval of application HC-51,014.1 - California Girl Boutique sign, per the exhibits A and B submitted and subject to the standard conditions, with the additional proviso that the mounting of the sign details are to be submitted to the staff prior to the submittal of this application to the City Council .for is final approval. This motion was amended by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Adams, that the height of the sign shall match that of the signs already there. Vote on the amendment: AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: None ABSENT: Member McLaren Amendment carried, 4-0 Vote on the motion: AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES; None ABSENT:' Member McLaren Motion carried, 4--0 HC-43 Page 3 Replace wood sign Attached to roof Public Hearings closed HC-51,014.1 Calif. Girl Boutique approved w/conditions HC-43 Page 4 Additional planting proposed Reader board planned Applicant opposes posi- tion of sign Temporary sign; to be removed Pricing sign very important MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3, 6. Application I.C-51,274 Wolfe Road, requesting (Loc. Map, Ex. 3) li I i 1971 II -CONTROL MEETING i Mobil Oil Corporation, approval of landscaping Stevens Creek Blvd,and and signs. Mr. Peter J. Hercz, 242 Loon Court, Foster City, California, was present to represent Mobil Oil Corporation. The Planning Director said the application is for expansion to a third product at this facility. Landscaping and parking should be delineated at this time. Colored slides of the station from several angles were shown on the screen. The landscaping plan showed additional planting at the two corners and in the middle on the northerly boundary. The Planning Technician said the reader board sign is proposed for I. the corner of -Wolfe and Stevens Creek Blvd. The size of the sign is approximately the same as that at the station on Stevens Creek Blvd. and Highway 9. There will be an extra 4 feet of planting at the i� corners. Mr. Hercz said, from a marketing standpoint, he objected to moving the sign back the 10 or 11 feet asrproposed by the staff, rather than the 4 feet he proposed. Member Gatto noted that it is strictly a right-hand turn situation onto Stevens Creek Blvd. here, due°to the divided road. He wondered whether the objection was a valid one. In the discussion of the enlarged corner planting strip, Mr. Hercz said the egress is 42 feet to makeiit convenient for the customers to get in and out; otherwise it is too tight a turn. Pulling the pricing sign back from the corner twill block the view from Stevens Creek Blvd. He asked permission to have the one pricing sign brought within the 40-foot triangle. Member Gatto asked the status of the present pricing signs that appear on the pictures. The Planning Director said they are temporary and will be removed. i Member Adams asked if the applicant would consider eliminating the pricing sign. altogether. Mr. Hercz felt the pricing sign was very important to the business at this station. Member Sargent asked why there are two sections to the reader board. Mr. Hercz said one side is the "We Honor" sign and nicely holds 4 credit card signs. He said there is a possibility that this could be eliminated. Mr. Hercz added t,ihat he has just completed 110 of the 114 stations, and the four outstainding ones are in Cupertino. PJ • CJ 0 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3, 1971 H-,CgNTROL MEETING Chairman Ryner asked if the applicant felt he would get better exposure if the reader board sign were moved to the corner at Stevens Creek Blvd. and East Estates Drive. Mr. Hercz said East Estates Drive is not as important a street as Wolfe Road is to thi., station. He agreed, however, that the traffic going north on Wolfe Road would have quite a problem getting into this station. Chairman Ryner felt the credit card information is more important than the pricing information on the sign. Member Gatto proposed putting two 5-foot reader board signs at the 40-foot diagonal and turned to face the Wolfe Road traffic going south and the Stevens Creek Blvd. traffic going east. Mr. Hercz said he would prefer just one, large sign at the well travelled intersection. He said he would like to submit an application for a Variance to the Sign Ordinance to allow his reader board closer to the intersection. When he was told that his chances of approval on a Variance to the Sign Ordinance were very slim, he asked if just the landscaping could be reviewed and he would keep the present signs. The Planning Director said the intent of the application is to consider the entire package. Member Adams asked if there is a berm across the rear of the property. Mr. .Hercz said they would put in concrete berms and bumper guards. Chairman Ryner asked if there is a picture of the present trash enclosure. It was shown on the screen. Mr. Hercz said this is a genuine trash enclosure rather than a dipsy dumpster. As to the general housekeeping, Mr. Hercz said their stations will be more closely monitored in the future. Chairman Ryner asked if the pole sign near the ice cream store on East Estates is necessary. Mr. Hercz said he would make a re- commendation to the Company to see about removing it. Member Adams noted that the applicant is willing to speak to the Company about the pole sign, so he suggested continuing this application to give him time to'work out his problems with regard to the reader board and to add curb and wheel stops to the proposal. Mr. Hercz said he has given a lot of cooperation and in return he would like to have the Variance for the location of the reader board. He then suggested that perhaps it would be better to leave the station as is. In response to Member Gatto's question, he said there is no change in the lighting. Chairman Ryner asked for- comments =from= -the- audience: _= There--were-- none. HC-43 Page 5 Credit card information important Applicant wants a Variance or else keep present signs & just redo the landscaping. Install concrete berms and bumper guards Trash enclosure Possibly remove pole sign on East Estates Dr. Applicant wants Variance HC-43 I MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING Page 6 Public -Hearings -Moved -by Member_Adams,_seconded_by_Member-.Gatto_to close the Public closed Hearings. Motion carried, 4--0 Member Gatto did not feel there waslany justification for a Variance here, with the unobstructed view of'this corner. The applicant should reconsider the pricing sign and relocate the catch basin. 1, HC-51,274 Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by Member Adams to continue application Mobil HC-51,274 - Mobil Oil Corporation, Stevens Creek Blvd. and Wol-fe Road, SCB & Wolfe to allow the applicant time to restudy the plan, and to come back to continued the next regularly scheduled meeting. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: None ABSENT: Member McLaren Motion carried, 4-0 7. Application HC-51,102.1 - Mobil, Oil Corporation, Stevens Creek Blvd. and Stelling Road, requesting approval of landscaping, and signs. (Loc. Map, Ex. 4) Mr. Peter J. Hercz, 242 Loon Court; Foster City, said he was also representing Mobil Oil in this application. Striping for Several colored slides of the station were presented. The Planning parking needed Technician said the landscaping seems to be fairly adequate, but parking stall. marking is needed on'the easterly boundary. Here, again, the applicant proposed to put a reader board within the Applicant will 40-foot angle. He offered to repaint the wood fence along the paint fence easterly property line. Dipsy dumpster i Chairman Ryner noted a dipsy dumps�ter in the photographs. He added here that this station is kept in fairly good repair. The damage to the planter is probably because .the manager is very good about letting students have car washes here to raise money. Non -conforming Member Adams wondered whether or not the pole sign is within the pole 1 sign. P g 40' diagonal. The Planning, Technician said it is a non -conforming g g sign which was constructed in 1967. • • • L]i i 0 0 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING HC-43 Page 7 Member Gatto noted that the intent of the reader board is to Applicant to incorporate all the signs. Mr. Hercz said he had studied this restudy the and again asked for permission to place the reader board within matter the 40-foot angle. Wdhen he was not given any encouragement in thi respect he offered to make a study of this problem. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to continue to the next meeting application HC-51,102.1 -- Mobil Oil, Stevens Creek Blvd. and Stelling Road. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: None ABSENT: Member McLaren Motion carried, 4-0 8. Application HC--51,149.1 - Mobil Oil Corporation, Highway 9 and McClellan Road, requesting approval of landscaping and signs. The Planning Director showed colored slides of this station, call- ing attention to the number of signs. He said we have here the same problem as the previous two applications as to placing the reader board within the 40-foot radius. Mr. Peter J. Hercz, 242 Loon Court, Foster City, said he was again the applicant. HC-51,102.1 Mobil Oil SCB & Stelling continued The Planning Technician said the applicant has agreed to take down Will remove one one of the pole signs and the two side lights protruding from it. I pole sign Mr. Hercz said this is a hardship case. If they are to increase the size of this corner planter it would create a hazard to the delivery truck. It is not a safe situation to have fills within planter areas. Due to the location of the building, the tanker would have a very difficult time reaching the fill if it is re- located. Member Sargent asked if the planter next to the building would remain. Mr. Hercz said that it would. Chairman Ryner asked if the reader board could be installed in it. Mr. Hercz said marketingwise, it would do no good there. Member Sargent said the visibility factor is very important here because this is a bad corner on which to turn left onto Highway 9. Mr. Hercz felt the sign would be back far enough so that it would not interfere with the visibility of the intersection. Member Adams felt this application had the same basic difficulty as the previous two. Hardship case HC-43 Page 8 Applicant's new proposal MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3, 1.971 H-CONTROL MEETING Mr. Hercz proposed raising the existing pole sign, enlarging the planter, forgetting about the reader,board, and eliminating the hanging pole sign with the two side lights. This sounded good to Member Adams. The Planning Technician noted there,is a utility company easement running along the westerly boundaryl_i.ne. At the staff meeting, it was also proposed that the pole sign be moved to the southeast corner of the property. Public Heariiftgd Moved by Member Gatto, seconded by lttember Adams to close the Public closed Hearings. Motion carried, 4-0 Extra problems The Planning Technician said the outside vending machines and a here general cleanup of the area are some of the problems with this station. HC-51,149.1 Moored by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to recommend to Mobil Oil the City Council approval of HC-51,149.1 - Mobil Oil at Highway 9 Hwy 9 & and McClellan Road, subject to Exhibit A submitted, the standard McClellan H-Control conditions, and additional conditions that the moveable approved hanging sign and spot lightsr perpeidi.cular to McClellan be removed, the reader board pricing sign proposed in the corner planting strip to be deleted, the outside vending machines to be removed and there is to be a general cleanup of the front of the station. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: None ABSENT: Member McLaren Motion car i ried, 4-0 i 9. Application HC-51,207.1 - Mobil Oil Corporation, Homestead Road and Bernardo Avenue, requesting approval of landscaping and signs. The applicant was the same as the previous three. The Planning Director said this is a newer station and the only request is for the reader board sign on the southeast portion of the .property. The present two signs would be incorporated into one structure. i i I C 1�1 • 0 E it MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING Member Gatto asked for details on the landscared corner. He was told it is sprinklered, and has some juniper tams and redwood chip, - in it. Since it was established that this station is only about two years old, Member Adams commented that the plants don't look like they have two years' growth on them. Mr. Hercz said he would look into this. Member Gatto noted that this is a very big, bar- ren area and needs additional landscaping. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Sargent to close the Public Hearings. Motion carried, 4-0 Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to continue application HC-51,207.1 - Mobil Oil Corporation, Homestead Road and Bernardo Avenue to the next regular meeting. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: None ABSENT: Member McLaren Motion carried, 4-0 Chairman Ryner thanked the applicant for his cooperative attitude on these matters. He asked that the applicant and the staff agree on -the placement of these reader boards prior to the next meeting. Mr. Hercz asked the Committee if they would object if the present signs at Stevens Creek Blvd. and Wolfe Road were left as is. Chairman Ryner said they would object. 10. Application HC-51,075.16B - Vallco Park, Ltd. requesting approval of landscaping, lighting and undergrounding of utilities for office and related commercial to be located at the northeast corner of Stevens Creek Blvd. and Wolfe Road. (Loc. Map, Ex. 7) Mr. Walter Ward, General Manager of Vallco Park, 10750 North Wolfe Road, Cupertino said he and Mr. Bill Tagg were present to discuss this application. The Planning.Director said the site and the architecture have been previously* approved by this Committee and the Council. HC-43 Page 9 Additional landscaping needed Public Hearings closed HC-51,207.1 continued Staff and applicant to agree prior to next meeting HC-43 Page 10 Parking------ -- Trash containers Landscaping Lighting i ublic Hearings closed HC-51,075.16B approved Cv1 conditions MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3, 1.971 H-CONTROL MEETING - In--answer-to=Member-Adams`-question Mr.=Ward said there are no problems related to grading. He said the parking spaces nearest the building on the east vide are wider than the 9'6". This is a temporary parking lot. Mr. Tagg said there will be 80 parking spaces under the building. There a-rla berms along Stevens Creek Blvd. and Wolfe Road. ' Mr. Tagg said they are talking about precast concrete trash containers with either metal liners or plasticibag liners. They are quite similar to those in Vallco Village.' The tops are of anodized metal. These containers are very easy to clean. A 20' x 20' trash enclosure is in rear. There will be a fountain with bricks around it.in the plaza. In the courtyard will be honey locust specimen trees. Evergreen ash will be placed along the border. Monterey pines are going dorm to the garage. There is quite a bit of lawn and a little bit of ivy and. star jasmine along the bank; of 2' to 4' mounds. Mr. Tagg said there will be 6 light1standards in the temporary parking lot, which will be similar to thosei'used in Eastridge and Measurex. They will not .look temporary. Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to close the Public Hearings. Motion carried,' 4-0 Moved by Member. Gatto, seconded bylMember Adams to recommend to the City Council approval of application HC-51,075.16B - Vallco Park Ltd., for approval of landscaping, lighting and undergrounding of utilities as submitted, subject to the standard H-Control conditions and Exhibits A, A-1, B and B-1. AYES: Members Adams, Gatto, Sargent, Chairman Ryner NOES: None i Motion carried,,, 4-0 11. Application HC-51,241.5 - Oak!Meadows Development Corp., requesting approval of site, architecture, lighting and landscaping for 211-unit condominium development to be located 1600 feet west of Foothill Expressway on Permanerte Road. (Loc. Map, Ex. 8) 0 0 MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 3, 1971 H-CONTROL MEETING Since the applicant was not present, Chairman Ryner said this is continued to the next regular. meeting. The Planning Director said this development has been continued at the Council level. UNFINISHED BUSINESS 12. Summary Report Showing Status of Action on Items Referred to the Staff. Director Sisk said the Council OK'd the Taylor, Perrotti, Vallco Park, and West Valley Industrial Park building applications. They eliminated the Perrotti interior fence condition. They denied the Tops Realty application. A committee is working actively to clean up the Chamber of CommerCE signs at Homestead and #9. Member Sargent asked if the blue chip sign will be removed at All American Shopping Center. Staff said they will. NEW BUSINESS Chairman Ryner said Tennessee West has 7 signs out in front. The staff will check on this. Member Gatto said the Sign Ordinance violations at service stationE at some of the corners of commercial streets present probably one of the worst impressions of the City. Perhaps some enforcement will put others on guard. ADJOURNMENT Moved by Member Adams, seconded by Member Gatto to adjourn the meeting at 9:45 P.M. ATTEST: /s/ Wm. E. Ryder City Clerk APPROVED: /s/ Stephen C. Ryner Chairman HC-43 Page 11